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The question then becomes for joe biden and joe manchin is what can they take? what's possible to scale back and get into a smaller package. i would say the days of a $1.7 trillion massive package are probably over. maybe $1.7 trillion but have to narrow. i understand what's said in the op-ed in "the washington post" that manchin cannot deter the build back better act but he can and he has. he is the only person that matters and progressives will have a question. can they accept the scaled back package or nothing? doesn't matter whether one thing that joe manchin should have this power. he doe...

America. >> manchin is kind of a throwback to an older style in washington when there were a bunch of blue dog democrats and members, you know, who had been there for a while and knew each other and socialized and had relationships, you know, to use the across the aisle washington phrase that used to mean something. it doesn't really mean anything right now. and i agree with heilemann that mcconnell is taking a risk in endangering that relationship that he has with manchin. manchin cannot believe him. cannot believe republicans, just on this basic level, that they want to participate in

49 and 50 on whatever is under discussion. but i really don't see how manchin can avoid it on this front with this -- with this investigation, with this commission. there's for democracy and there's not. if manchin cannot find those ten patriots that he hopes to find, then is he willing to be the reason why this commission doesn't move forward? i don't know if he is. >> so this is interesting, renee, because hayes talks about kyrsten sinema. i want to read you an article from politico. it says asked if the biden administration should keep talking to republicans about a bipartisan infrastructur...

It is all on them. they can't blame the republicans without the filibuster. they can't say, oh well they are the ones who are blocking this. it falls on them to not vote 49 or 50 to whatever is on discussion. i really don't see how manchin can avoid it on this front, with this investigation, this commission. there for democracy and they are not. if manchin cannot find those ten patriots that he hopes to fine, then is he willing to be the reason why this commission doesn't move forward? i don't know if he is. >> so, this is interesting, renee. because hays talks about christian cinema. in the r...