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changing him as an artist in a way that berry gordy is not super happy about. ♪ mother, mother ♪ ♪ everybody thinks we're wrong ♪ ♪ they do ♪ initially berry gordy did not want marvin to do "what's goin' on." questlove: motown was supposed to be non-threatening. here you now have marvin gaye making a protest record about the war that could potentially ruin good money. you don't lightly talk about the government. ♪ yes, i want to know ♪ ♪ what's goin' on right now, people ♪ de passe: ultimately when he agrees to put out "what's goin' on," berry tells marvin, "okay, if you're right, i'll learn something. and if i'm right, you'll learn something." and of course, as berry will say, "i learned something." questlove: every artist at motown suddenly also wanted to try their chance at freedom. when people say soul,
- we're gonna turn the questioning over to the soul train gang, marvin, okay? - what else do you like to do besides singing at your spare time? - well, i enjoy, i like fooling around. (audience laughing) - one reason "soul train" succeeded 15 years after "the nat king cole show" is because they found a sponsor to take it national. - that was for us, by us and we loved it. - let's welcome them warmly, gladys & the pips, mr. barry white, sly and the family stone, curtis mayfield, aretha franklin. - don cornelius was an icon. this man changed the game. when i was growing up, you did not miss "soul train." i mean, that was a part of my youth. - it was the regularly scheduled national platform for black culture. someone does popping on "soul train" in 1971 and people are tryin' popping in the schoolyard two hours later. it was a kind of universal black experience. - back in the '80s, which i'll never forget,
the students he taught them that abortion was wrong. and he taught them about the southern points in the civil war. this man is a hypocrite, he wants to be present, and he has the cost of diluting whitewashing and erasing black history. >> doctor dunn do you think that there are solutions? because i know that we are stuck with a supermajority gop legislator in florida. they walk lockstep i, use that phrase specifically, they walk lockstep with ron desantis. are there any solutions? >> i think the current situation will be resolved in court. it's gonna take the supreme court of the united states to say, the rights are protected in the state can only go so far in trying to squash individual freedoms. particular the first amendment. these challenges must be settled in court, and i think they will be. >> dr. marvin done, i invite you back at anytime to continue this conversation. let's pray that that curriculum doesn't get even worse for kids like mine by the way in the
that there's joy in black culture. - we're gonna turn the questioning over to the soul train gang, marvin, okay? - what else do you like to do besides singing at your spare time? - well, i enjoy, i like fooling around. (audience laughing) - one reason "soul train" succeeded 15 years after "the nat king cole show" is because they found a sponsor to take it national. - that was for us, by us and we loved it. - let's welcome them warmly, gladys & the pips, mr. barry white, sly and the family stone, curtis mayfield, aretha franklin. - don cornelius was an icon. this man changed the game. when i was growing up, you did not miss "soul train." i mean, that was a part of my youth. - it was the regularly scheduled national platform for black culture. someone does popping on "soul train" in 1971 and people are tryin' popping in the schoolyard two hours later. it was a kind of universal black experience.
- redd foxx, he had comedy albums that were raunchy, and they thought he would never make it on tv. how could he clean up his act? and then he goes on television. - my first wife, i had a 1942 buick, and her. (audience laughing) and i left both of them to come to california. (audience laughing) didn't hurt too bad 'cause neither one of 'em was working. (audience laughing) - now did he clean up his act? in a way he did. but you knew what he was thinking. (upbeat percussive music) - in 1971, the intensity was something that was really everywhere. you know, we've had assassinations recently, riots, there's nixon talking about law and order. but "soul train" suggested that there's joy in black culture. - we're gonna turn the questioning over to the soul train gang, marvin, okay? - what else do you like to do besides singing at your spare time? - well, i enjoy, i like fooling around.