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Controversy leads straight to him or at least the white house, and that's up ten points from a month ago, and the number will likely go higher. where is this going? >> this is a problem for the administration. this administration is most worried about this irs scandal because there's so many questions that we don't know. who came up with the idea? we have had a couple heads roll at the irs but we don't know where -- who started this idea, who implemented it, and both the house and senate are investigating, and watch the senate, they're quietly investigating but the senate finance commit year c...

0 clear understand hogue the nsa program works, is in such contrast to this parade of fools and incompetents from holder at justice, to mueller at fbi to the irs parade of absolute incompetence, so we needed this. and i -- >> neil: how can you be so sure you're hearing the truth from these guys? i take nothing away from their goals each just saying, did they overstep it? do they'd overdo it? >> that's right. that's a great question, how can we trust them. we have to make that decision. i would tell you that not one time -- and i watched virtually the entire testimony. not one time did i see an...

>> the health care -- if they're listening out there in south soh carolina, don't vote for this. it's going 0 make south carolina done -- >> neil: cooperate you argue a -- couldn't you argue changing venue or something -- if harry reid and max backus is saying we're incorrect on the cost. the parameters changed. the law itself and everything associated with it changed. >> you have this ruling from the supreme court that says, even if there are flaws in obamacare, it's constitutional. it's federally mandated health care and is constitutional in the united states. until the supreme court changes...

There's less of an increase. that's all we're talking about. of course it has no much impact. what does have impact is regulation. and you see great -- more and more regulation from the epa and other agencies, and now in the healthcare area. that will slow growth, and as this thing rolls in, we -- even max backus predicts loyal democrats -- he worries that obamacare will create a mess. >> neil: it's not showing up yet in these markets. i know a lot of your friends in the business community have talked about it. worried about it. planned for it, and sort of kept a lot of cash aside. what do you...

>> yes, yes. and now rockefeller is saying it's absolutely incomprehendible, a massive bill that nobody can understand. and we tried to understand and it we don't. bachus said it's a train wreck coming down the pike, and it is. that's what we see. >> neil: that's interesting. who would know better than a guy trying to run a business. allen tharpe, thank you very much. keep us posted. >> meanwhile, from one man trying to stand, college graduate trying to get into one, according to a new survey 41% of recent grads are underemployed. holding a job that doesn't really require a college degree and ...