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Want to know everything. they want to know every second of the way. everything that that family member experienced. they need to know. >> have you found that as well in representing families of victims. i mean beyond how horrible it is, they want to know what their loved one went through. >> i can't tell you how many times i've been working with families and they say don't you sugar-coat me. you tell me everything. i've been concerned about that. i certainly don't want to add any more grief or stress to their lives. they say, no. they become incredibly strong with the truth. as long as you're ...

And hopefully your client is being honest with you. if not, it's going to be a valuable lesson to teach your clientd, hitting him over the head saying see, look what happens when you don't tell me everything. it's extremely important to the defense of a client. >> we didn't have enough time. maybe we'll be able to work it in somewhere. thank you both so much. coming up later this morning at 10:00, we're going to be speaking live to two friends of accused father justin ross harris. so when we talk about not knowing this man, hopefully they're going to help us know a little more. >> as much as w...

Program against americans. we're not snooping their e-mails or phone calls. we discovered all the claims are false. when you have an organization, a bureaucracy, that it accountable to no one, we don't know what their budget is. we don't know how many weird hammers and saws they have. then -- >> i kind of hope our spies are a little bit better than deon, who i love dearly. >> he told me everything. >> what did you find out. >> he said a lot of bad things about mrs. cavuto. i don't want to repeat them. >> many times -- >> i'm going to find out what he knows. >> this kind of stuff, though, is st...

My staff who hasn't gone through major pain. i do this because if you've never gone through major pain, then you tend to -- when people are in pain, your attitude well get over it. it's insensitive. buck up, do better and you're going, you have no idea. you have no idea. it is humanizing. it is -- it humbles you. and so the changes that take place in you are what i call -- the bible calls it sant fa case but when i come more like christ in attitude more love, more joy, more peace, more patience, more kindness, these are kings that come through brokenness. >> let me play a clip of kay talking i...

These are kings that come through brokenness. >> let me play a clip of kay talking in the interview we did together about matthew and the issue of guns and mental illness. >> when did you finally get -- >> a month before -- before he took his life. >> do you know how he got it? who he got it from? >> he told me that he -- he told me everything. and he told me that he had found somebody finally on the internet who would sell it to him and it had to be super encrypted and it had to be this whole process and he begged me to help him because he couldn't figure out the process. again, there is so m...