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Student debt cancellation. we don't means test security and medicare, we don't means testa k-12 education. the fact that somebody has student that to begin with as a form of means testing. so let's leave it at that. and make it a universal program. we know that republicans, independents, and democrats support this policy. this is the right thing to do. the research shows it is going to be a major boom for the economy in terms of the gdp. and we also know that entire generations of people are unable to start families are unable to start businesses, are unable to pay off the skyrocketing costs o...

Form of means testing. so let's leave it at that. and make it a universal program. we know that republicans, independents, and democrats support this policy. this is the right thing to do. the research shows it is going to be a major boom for the economy in terms of the gdp. and we also know that entire generations of people are unable to start families are unable to start businesses, are unable to pay off the skyrocketing costs of a college education. as wages have remained stagnant for decades when you adjust for inflation. so it is the right thing to do on the policy, and yes, on the politi...

Get them into jobs where they can support themselves and their families. so this all shows that as much debt as you can cancel, you may know that i'm for cancelling all of it. but as much debt as you can cancel is going to stimulate the economy. last fact here is that if we were to cancel all of the debt that's out there, we would raise the wealth of black families in america by 40%. this is a racial justice issue as well. >> why wouldn't you means test that? >> well, i think that the principal is that so many people have debt and we've made education so unaffordable that the small percentage ...

Means-testing support for fuel-poor households will leave millions in hardship.

Look like? it is not easy. >> reporter: hallie, that requires joe manchin's vote. two things need to happen based on the statements in what he wants. there's a category of easy things. that includes simple tweaks to programs. means testing for income and adding work requirements. a lot of democrats don't like the ideas. they consider them bureaucratic. not a deal breaker. the difficult category is making sure every program is funded over a ten-year period. that is where the rubber meets the road. that is the most challenging for democrats to figure out. they have to make painful sacrifices and...