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Charged bradley manning with aiding the enemy. he pled guilty to charges that would have carried a 20 year sentence. i think that would have been more than enough to send a stern message to those in the ranks if you violate your oath, there will be consequences. >> former assistant secretary of state p.j. crowley. thank you. thank you to michael ratner, u.s. attorney for wikileaks and president for the center for constitutional rights. thanks for your time. after the breaks we will discuss leaks and the manning effect next on "now." hmm...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or mor...

In our name, the expansion of our defense budget, expansion of national security state and the changes in our privacy expectations that you would have expected, i think, in a less politically polarized environment. frankly, i think this has been good for the fact that the nsa is saying, okay, we are going to declassify some of the things that absolutely should not have been classified. as long as we're still spending 20 minutes having a conversation about this, i think we are better off than we had been before these leaks. >> the other thing, michael, is in some ways wikileaks has been a conve...

0 comment. joining me today, author and radio host of "studio 360", curt anderson whose latest book, true believers, is out in paper back this month. vice president, heather mcghee. president emeritus of the center for constitutional rights and attorney for wikileaks and julian a saj, mike cat ratner and washington bureau chief of mother jones, david korn. joining us from massachusetts is former assistant secretary of state, p.j. crowley. i go to you first on this, your reaction to the verdict yesterday. >> i thought the judge got it just about right. this was an unprecedented leak. you have 7...

Torture center run in iraq? that's what i want to know. we shouldn't be focusing on this issue. we should be -- bradley manning should be not in jail at all. >> wolf, you know, by the standard of mr. ratner, what you're saying is anyone who takes classified information. that was classified it's a fact. he took classified information and put it on the internet where all our enemies can easily access it. under his standard, there'd be no more reason to have an espionage act at all because you could claim whistle blower status. that's absurd. that would put us in harm's way. and the other things ...

Of this. and he also says this is the end of jury roomiournalism in the u. he's speak out about the verdict. >> let's talk more about the manning verdict. whether or not he's a hero, a whistle blower, or a traitor. we're joined by michael ratner of wikileaks. we're also talking to michael grimm of new york. a former undercover fbi agent. thanks for joining us. what do you think about this not guilty verdict, congressman? not guilty for the most serious charge aiding the enemy. >> i support the court's decision. they looked at the law and applied it correctly. but the other counts he was found ...