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President has been tweeting about this, really since last night, saying, look, im trying to level the Playing Field when it comes to trade. That is why were doing what were doing, thats why we imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum. When do you make of that . Well, i have spoken to european officials who concede that negotiations with europe move slowly. And what trump is doing is breaking some of that slow moving molasses and making them all think about and reexamine their trade positions. Will that create new possibilities behind closed doors . I think at this point youre going to have so man...

>> and also so open. and open about his -- open about his struggles with drugs, with life, and he would talk about his young daughter. we both have young kids. today -- >> it is tough. >> how do you wrap your heard and mind around that? >> it is -- it is one of those things that you have to look at it as somebody explained it to me a long time ago, it is somebody had a problem, they have an organ that didn't work, somebody has a heart attack, they die. somebody that has an illness like this, you know, your mind is -- there is something wrong and you take your life and it is not something i thi...

In prison right now. i would love to see even one of them come home. we saw that last week. sure, it's a step forward, but i don't want to confuse those two things. i think it's important for us to have a deeper conversation about law, about structure. but if we can get a few people home from meeting with president trump, i think that's our duty. >> michael jacobs was not protesting as someone in jail necessarily, he's been protesting police retaliation and injustice. you can't fix that with a pardon. >> no, what i would prefer to see is him saying, in privatization of prisons, let's continue ...

To his show to see where to go, but you could e-mail him and he would e-mail you back. i know dozens of people who did this. wei he was an extremely generous guy, humble. he always -- imagine walking through a las vegas casino with anthony bourdain. he got stopped constantly. he always stopped to take a picture. always had a kind word. he was a generous, genuine guy, he didn't put up with any bs, and that's why people loved him. he was smart as hell. and i'm just devastated by this loss. >> and, michael, i found in my very fortunate encounters with him, in very limited considering how many clo...

That's what made him so good and he also knew he was lucky to have life that he did and he never underestimated that, never stopped being grateful for it. >> well, michael, thank you so much for sharing with me. mark, thank you. it is great to see you. thank you so much. appreciate it. and we do want to make sure we emphasize today that honestly, there is help out there. if you or anyone you know is struggling, needs help, the national suicide prevention lifeline is there. take note. take a look. and keep your eye out for your friends and your loved ones and those out there. it is there 24 hou...