More ukrainians are alive at the end of this to enjoy the fruits of their victory. >> so what are those options, then? >> well, at this point in time, we need to continue supporting the ukrainians and their current offensive while also ensuring we support them over the winter. and prepare them and train them for any subsequent offenses needed in 2024. the most optimistic ukrainian offenses will probably see them maybe reach the sea. but crimea and parts of the donbass will probably require future operations. >> all right, mick ryan, thank you for sharing your military analysis with us. we do a...