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Couldn't the president get them on the line as well and they all get together to put pressure on erdoga information? >> yeah, nato allies. here is the problem, you know, there's been at least joke about it that nato stood for no action talk only, that's changed over the last decade or so, nato has become more involved, has backed a lot of things that previously they wouldn't have, but at the same token, the forces are really weak -- arthel: i get your point there captain ash, you have people, soldiers being pulled out because i guess they were going to be in harm's way according to what you ju...