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He was for traditional prejudice against gays. that's where he stands, traditionally. traditionally this country has fired people for being gays. traditionally they have kicked people out of the military for being gay. that's tradition. tradition is wrong on this. the american people are turning gradually against tradition. for romney to hide behind the platitude of tradition, tradition has been prejudice. >> you say that, but the -- >> no, no, no, what happened to richard this week is what normally used to happen. you get caught being gay, you're fired. >> on that point, the gallup poll has 5...

Issue. >> chuck, i don't think it has the same policy, though. >> they will try like hell to prove it. >> it doesn't have the same poeten sigh. it is there. it is clear. i think that you hear the president and the way -- don't forget what he endorsed. he endorsed the idea personally of being in favor of same sex marriage and also said it is up to the states and almost trying to have the mirror almost having the same tone that romney has on gay marriage and saying, look, i am for it but it is okay if you disagree with me type of thing and we'll leave it up to the states. >> good news and bad ne...

White house didn't want to bring this up. the people around the vice president were probably nervous. here he was answering a question from his heart and talking about love and talking about how people love and david gregory deserves the credit for breaking the store because he asks the most bril nant question and got a brilliant answer that will change this campaign perhaps for the better, the worse, for either party and definitely broken in a whole new era of cultural politics. >> mitt romney has described himself as being opposed to same sex marriage. >> i am not sure where he stands on evo...

It is not by the laws written but by working side by side with people of other races and getting to know people who are different than ourselves and that we realize that some of these old ideas are just that, old ideas. >> julian, karen explains perfectly the personal momentum and impetus for this but what about the political implications for the president? >> it is an excellent question. to the conversation that chris and chuck were having, i think i am a little more on chris's side. what makes this such an important statement and such a moving statement of equal rights is that it is not with...

Political minds and leave aside the moral and ethical and all of the other issues, the social issues, people will be arguing about over the course of the next few days. if you look at it as a political element of this, it was simply time to make a stand and there was a feeling that the president, you know, one of the quotes was he was too cute and trying to have it both ways and come down firmly on one side and they'll let people fight it out and i think in the end they think there could be a political winner for them from a political aspect. >> stay with us. back to you, chris. >> can i say s...