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and members of his inner-most circle. we're talking about the slates of fake electors set up in battleground states. they set up as the spark for the rest of the plan as conceived by john eastman. from the very beginning from when the plan was first conceived days after the november election, attorneys for the trump campaign were well aware of the fact that their plan for slates of fake electors was -- how should we put it -- fake. "the new york times" reported on emails from trump lawyers that say this, quote, we would just be sending in fake electoral votes to pence so someone in c...

His head and explain it other than it seems like that's when the strategy kicks in and the narrative has to be consistent with the strategy. >> tim, what i'm thinking of is the testimony you developed from some of mike pence's lawyers. what happens after this period of his defeat sinks in, after he loses lawsuits brought contesting the results, is that the eastman memo gains traction. they succeed in placing their guy at doj. i think liz cheney led the narrative putting -- after trump has acknowledged defeat, they plop in some guy at doj. they organize a coup where they put jeffrey clark there...