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designed to create diverse student bodies at our countries colleges and universities. we're going to talk about why that ruling is so much better than just a college admission process. plus, the conservative-leaning court also presided president biden's debt forgiveness plan was unlawful, which means payments will default again soon. we are talking to biden's domestic policy chief about what the president can do to still give americans some form of relief for their student loan debt and much more. and when it comes to this idea of color blindness -- the conservatives want you to beli...

It having a substantial effect on folks who are low income, with loans, who really do need forgiveness to get out from under the weight of that? >> i really think it's important that president biden stated his continuing commitment to relieving students from's loans. we know that student loan debt disproportionately impact people of color and people from low income communities. so, while it's not exactly what we would have wanted to see in terms of the debt relief program that came from the heroes act, i think the commitment to try this again under the higher education act, and the steps that ...

In Genesis 32 we see an interesting story of Jacob wrestling with a heavenly being. He spends the entire night wrestling, and leaves with two things: a permanent limp, and a blessing from God. Just what exactly is going on in this story? And what can we learn from it about our own nights spent "wrestling" with the Lord?

>> ed: hanau law in new york. >> it's not just terrific, it's barbaric. we talked about this tonight. i think a tipping point to the 2016 election was that final debate with hillary clinton when he even as he rated her over her abortion stance that she would have no limits on abortion whatsoever. evangelicals who are on the fence, those that were, they tipped to the president's side when he said what he did. i think it is a winning issue for the president, it's a right issue to stand on the side of life. >> ed: the other thing he talked about in the debate with the supreme court. the nominatio...

Republicans soon, democrats sin. we all need forgiveness. but we need to understand, forgiveness does not riff consequences, ed. the severity of consequences for students depends upon severity of the offense and frequency. let's face it, put it putting on blackface in 1984 is wrong but it's not as horrific as sexual assault of 2004. we can't apply the same death penalty role in politics to everyone. i think about the saying, ed, he who refuses to forgive destroys the bridge over which he much travel one day. if we want to be forgiven, and i know i do, we want to express this redemption. >> ed:...