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Back. glad to be back. let s go to the nato summit right now and jacqui heinrich in lithuania with more. jacqui? hi, neil. ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky is not hiding his fury that he s going to end this visit without a conditional invitation to join the alliance. he called that unprecedented and absurd and warned that russia will use this as a negotiating chip trying to block them out of a future bid for membership as part of the path to end the war. the alliance issued a joint statement saying that ukraine s future is with nato but the timing is just not right. i talked about it with president biden s undersecretary of defense and new nato member finland s foreign minister. ukraine has to meet the same standard that every other nato members does, democratic reform, interoperability, which means our militaries can work together. ....
Despite a supreme court order this week that leaves title 42 in place for now, cities along the southern border are bracing for an even bigger surge of migrants in the months ahead. and while those cities struggle, our next guest says politicians on both sides of the aisle are using the trump era policy to flaunt an aggressive stance on the border without providing any coherent immigration policy. joining me now is zolan kanno young, a white house correspondent for the new york times. his new piece, this is not about the pandemic anymore, public health law is embraced as a border band-aid. zolan, appreciate you joining me this morning. democrats and republicans have largely conceded it is not about public health concerns but using it as a negotiating chip. how so? they re certainly not acting like it s about public health or mentioning it in the context of public health. real quick, just to give some context here, i ve been writing ....
Advisers and the aides working on the border within the white house. you ve had those that have argued it does show a message of deterrence and sends a message that could try to deter a surge at the border, which has also been pretty dubious when you talk to career officials down there. title 42 doesn t exactly stop people from coming, it just prevents them from staying in detention facilities in the u.s. and allows border patrol agents to rapidly turn them away but it doesn t stop people from coming. so when you talk to members of congress, when you see members of congress now also using it as a sort of negotiating chip in these different congressional negotiations over immigration, when you see the white house continue to rely on t now under court order, yes, what it really does expose in a way is this void of any congressional action when it comes to actually efficient border policy or a consistent plan from the white house. right. because we just haven t seen that from congress, ....
National focus on her case, made her, in russia s eyes, a very valuable negotiating chip. which is why they held out for an exchange with someone like viktor bout. now, they consider paul whelan, who they have charged with espionage, being in a separate category. the russians traditionally have always insisted that individuals involved or alleged to be involved in intelligence activities should be exchanged for others who are similarly charged, for example, in the united states. so, therefore, they were unwilling to have paul whelan to be part of this deal, and that is something the biden administration said it, was a one for one and it was only related to brittney griner. one of the things that is becoming sort of obvious to us now is that most people, we used to think of as hostages, are now wrongfully detained people. they are taken by government or government affiliated bodies, and that complicates the negotiations for their release, because governments are ....
These are horrific conditions that i expect brittney griner to be subjected to. typically there are 50 60 people living in these barracks with a very little water, unsanitary conditions for a set of the bathrooms there are basically holes. there are bunkbeds. there are basically like in there. we should all pray for brittney griner she is our fellow american. she is unfortunately being used right now by the russians as a negotiating chip. a typical statecraft of moscow. eric: she has that nine-year sentence could she spend the next nine years and that? or can vladimir putin mike does he have the power in their system to release her? putin has all the power to release her, eric pretty could release her tomorrow if you ....