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Interests but spent most of the time lambasting allies and criticizing them, they need to be criticized because of lack of defense spending but they need to go to the summit with having the allies back and ensuring he had their back. and the kind of negotiating leverage to showcase to vladimir putin that nato is strong and will come to russia. >> i went to hear from you about something that in the third and final presidential debate hillary clinton charged that donald trump was going to be trying to split up the nato alliance because she alleged that is what vladimir putin once and the trump a...

Without putting it behind him. the further problem is legal. that's if you force mueller to issue the subpoena, you litigate the subpoena and you lose, then all of your negotiating leverage disappears. the reason is president has negotiating leverage right now is that he can threaten as his lawyers are doing, to refuse to appear for an interview and to litigate against and fight a subpoena. the moment you litigate and fight against the subpoena and the courts rule against you, you lose the ability to make that threat. >> okay. let's move now to the president's upcoming supreme court justice an...

Legal team and mueller's legal team, and it all comes down to whether the special counsel will or will not issue a subpoena for the president's grand jury testimony which would provoke a significant confrontation on litigation. that question we don't know the answer to, because we don't know how much mueller really needs this interview or whether it's just something he would like to have but at the end of the day is willing to proceed without. >> yeah. from a pr strategy, you point out that while this might help the president in the court of public opinion, you're also saying the more this dra...

They're going to get rid of their nukes and we're going to make them rich. and so far now, the tone is that well, you know, because he has to. what negotiating leverage does he have if kim knows he's so desperate for a deal. >> i'm hearing one word, unilateral. i'm hearing no unilateral. what do they want from us? >> what do the north koreans. >> what do they want from us and south korea? do they want to take our umbrella and troops from south korea which are basically the trip wire? we keep our troops there so if they attack our troops, we bring in the big bombs. do they want us to clear out ...

Dealing with this regime. it's on and off and a guessing game for kim. maybe this is his own art of the deal. how do you read it now? >> that's right. if you look at that the chinese were able to extract from president trump in his public tweet on sunday about zte getting him to reverse a commerce department ruling from last month i think you see the north koreans working closely with the chinese. look at that and say boy, maybe it might be time for us to try to extract some concessions as well. there is no question that the united states was always intending to continue these exercises with t...