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one person who used to work for donald trump and one person who is willing to speak out against them. spoiler alert, they're not the same person. plus, speaking as a current republican front one or, we have brand-new reporting on two separate investigations into the twice impeached ex president. and will head to florida, they that currently looks every bit the picture of a trumpian dystopia thanks to trump's own closest competitor, governor ron desantis. then i'll call to order today's meeting as a velshi banned book club, featuring a very important book by a very brave offer who's b...

Ali. it's important to remember that no one piece of evidence makes or breaks a case, it all has to be viewed in context. one of the things that i think has been a challenge for jack smith was to prove donald trump's knowledge about the rules of classification. unlike most crimes were ignorance of the law is no excuse, there is a requirement when it comes to -- prove behind -- as a person knew what he was doing was illegal. and so to have donald trump on tape talking about how he cannot disclose calcified information is incredibly helpful. i think it really robust the statements that he's maki...

But, you know, at some point you want to tell a prosecutor, it's time to stop investigating and time to charge. r, it'sabout the fani willis is hag this investigations with her prosecutors. >> does the time mean anything to you, joe? we're hearing something might happen with jack smith and coming weeks, we're hearing that fani willis is looking at july or early august. we saw in the manhattan and indictments, that's not even going to be in court for many, many months. this is all going to play out in the midst of the primary season, and even into the election if there are further indictments. ...

>> for many, the reasons we're discussing, and it's not to diminish the danger of donald trump. the each present unique danger, and those are the right say, oh look, progressives are people who are never trumpers, would say that about any republican nominee. i wouldn't. we might have ideological concerns about nikki haley, tim scott, mike pence and others, but they are relatively benign, political actors who have demonstrated they will work within a constitutional system. both donald trump and ron desantis have suggested that they have authorities outside of the executive branch. even the less...

Let me explain what i mean. look, i don't think any serious candidate things they can beat trump. pence, haley, scott, desantis. i don't think they're even trying to beat trump. their hope, ali, is that the justice department takes donald trump out. that's what they're all hoping for, and pence, haley, scott and the others believe that desantis is a really weak number two. so they want to be that number two if the justice department takes trump out. >> let's talk about, let's go back to, that legal peril and how much of it could actually take trump out of the race -- in georgia is investigatin...