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Bill taylor, trump's top diplomat in ukraine laid out that evidence of a quid pro quo telling lawmakers, democrat and republican on the committee in the room that president trump withheld military aid until the ukrainian president announced an investigation into joe biden. so today the best graham could do to push back against those allegations was to say this -- >> did he talk to the president? >> he talked to ambassador sondland who talked to the president. >> that's hearsay. ? hearsay? taylor is a meticulous note taker and he served under all presidents beginning with reagan and his first a...

Vladimir putin than vladimir putin could have done in a hundred lifetimes. >> and what about the side meetings with vladimir putin where, oh, whoops, there's no note taker. >> no note taker. >> i mean, i think we have to stop thinking that he's completely illiterate and wonder if there is a strategy here that is quite the opposite. >> as the russians like to say, objectively speaking, he's serving the interests of russia. >> he is serving the interests of russia. >> whether subjectively he sees it that way. so joe's absolutely right. if you were to make a list of what putin most wanted, the tw...

Instead, what the president listened to with putin and orban and giuliani and it soured his view on the ukrainians and that instead of trying to go to support the ukrainians, that's when the president then instead went to them for a favor to dig up dirt in the political campaign. so i do think we see this from a foreign policy point of view as a very depressing disappointing and dangerous exercise of diplomacy by a president who simply isn't going to get reined in. that meeting with orban according to john went for an hour with no note taker. >> and you know, the president, you know, has suspi...

Because the read-out that we get from the white house, whatever they release today, may not be the full content of that conversation. and if there's anything we know from the mueller investigation, it's that this president will go to extraordinary lengths to obstruct an investigation into his misconduct. >> talk to me more about that. this transcript that the president says will be released today, what are the limits that you see in that? >> well, first of all, we don't know if it's in fact a transcript that is someone taking word by word notes, like a stenographer or whether there was a recor...

President has, all of the work the state department and others are doing on behalf of ukraine going forward will be subject to congressional scrutiny. all of the work that should be done likely will be evidence, including the meeting happening in three hours between president trump and president zelensky. you can kind of see them wanting to get in there and compare notes about how to handle it. >> i can't even believe the news some days. i can't believe it is happening on this day. >> it is happening in real-time. these two leaders are talking about investigating a rival of president trump. ze...