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One. the whistle blower wouldn't come forward without good evidence. when you bring a charge against the president of the united states, you better be well-equipped to back that up. now, i don't know whether this was an intercepted phone call of the president of ukraine or it's a white house transcript itself. but i would imagine this has got so much attention, there's got to be a transcript out there. >> steve, the big question now is whether there was some sort of quid pro quo. that link has not been made between this demand really by the president to look into joe biden in ukraine and this ...

You know, cia or nsa intercept of this. it's not like there's any american clandestine collection of the president himself. there's no basis in fact there. to your question about whether or not there was any quid pro quo, there may not have been an if you do this then i'll do this. but the ukrainians for the past five years have been at war with russia. russia has been aggressive against them in the eastern part of the country. and the united states -- they were hoping to count on the united states to help. regardless of whether or not the president said i'm going to release the money or relea...

Republican world view, and more people around the president who are basically aligned with president trump. eric: yeah. ironically, mr. ratcliffe was on "sunday morning futures" this morning with maria bartiromo, and i want to say in his defense that he does have national security experience. he was the chief of anti-terrorism at the eastern district of texas, and he was the acting u.s. attorney there in the doj. and he had, he was pretty tough on robert mueller during the questioning, supporting president trump. >> he was. eric: let's play a little bit of the sound bite from this morning's in...

Specific person of any specific crime. i just want there to be a fair process to get there. what i do know as a former federal prosecutor is it does appear that there were crimes committed during the obama administration. we talked earlier about michael flynn. his phone call with the russian ambassador was a highly classified nsa intercept. someone in the obama administration leaked that call to washington post. that's a felony. glenn simpson from fusion gps, in talking about the steele dossier, said under that he and bruce ohr did not meet until after the election. bruce ohr said under that t...

Administration. >> president obama and his administration, they were really, really tough on leakers of national security information and also -- i remember covering the bush administration post-9/11 reporting on something that was an nsa intercept and dic chain any started an investigation on capitol hill whether it came from there so it certainly is not new. >> let's talk about the former director of the fbi james comey testifying before congress and president trump is not going to invoke executive privilege to try to stop it. how big of a test will this be for president trump and his admini...