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The fact is that it is a swamp. we are getting this object lesson right now in exactly how influence peddeling works in washington. it is a thing. it does -- all of us on all sides of the political spectrum feel like, man, it feels like if you have got money you have more voice in washington than i have got. everybody feels that. but no one really understands how that works. so the question is, who articulates that with the most emotion. donald trump did an intelent job with his drain the swamp idea saying i am going to be on your side. and demagoguing as bill rightly put it, the other side. y...

Enrich uranium, caught with weapons in their possession, working the black market to get those kinds of materiels. it's based on a false premise, which is that the iranians only want civilian nuclear power. just coming back to inspections, that's a really important object lesson for north korea. one of the flaws in the iran nuclear deal, the iranian regime gets to determine what sites are open for inspection and what aren't. they can deny access. a good deal with north korea would not allow for that. it would require full and free access to inspectors. >> and of course the jury on these things...

Look, pruitt has refused to answer the "new york times'" phone calls. he has frozen out environmentalists from meetings and told them that he really isn't interested in what they have to say. and that is leading to a huge backlash and maybe some of the nitpicking about his spending is a little bit partisan and maybe someone else wouldn't have gotten into as much trouble over it, but i think it's an object lesson that you can have strong views and you can have an ideological point of view, but if you send the signal that you have contempt for the other side, you're going to pay for it. >> the i...

Do what i'm going to do. you can't help but think now we have an object lesson on how much damage the president can cause when he is left to his own devices on cable television. >> to that point -- >> i'm confused. why was the communications director not in between that? what happened? >> well, there is no communications director. >> oh, right, right, i forgot. >> but john heilemann, i go back to saying that i don't know exactly how effective -- how -- there's really no good way to say this. i might -- i'm not exactly sure that dr. ronny jackson's medical exam was completely accurate on donald...

Themselves. trade is something we can all agree on us for wonderful as a campaigner as president obama was for himself to prove your point, leslie, he didn't turn out to be a great campaigner for anyone else. hillary clinton being an object lesson there. great conversation. i am waiting for the sun to come out so i can go for a jog later. the sky is opening. thanks, guys. keep your writer and fox news channel after our show to watch "fox news sunday." john robertson for chris wallace. we can place on the soundbites, but there's a lot more in the conversation with cia director mike pompeo but w...