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Offense. he just suggested that the democrats need to spend months in court fighting the president over those witnesses before writing that up as an obstruction article of impeachment. harvard law professor noah feldman said he did not support impeachment efforts against the president until he read the call record with the president of ukraine in which donald trump asked the president of ukraine to announce an investigation of joe biden. >> i'd like to focus the panel on the evidence they considered and the findings in the intelligence committee report that the president solicited the interfer...

Obstruction article of impeachment. harvard law professor noah feldman said he did not support impeachment efforts against the president until he read the call record of the phone call with the president of ukraine in which donald trump asked the president of ukraine to announce an investigation of joe biden. >> i'd like to focus the panel on the evidence they considered and the findings in the intelligence committee report that the president solicited the interference of a foreign government, ukraine, in the 2020 u.s. presidential election. professor feldman, did president trump commit the im...

Courts. he could show up and exert executive privilege and not answer questions. that's fine. this is involving him, bolton, mulvaney, others, the white house, the executive branch, is constitutionally immune from having to testify to the united states congress. and there is no legal basis for that, which is why they will lose in court. here's where i think democrats face an important decision, strategy moment. we now have seen a focus on the underlying abuse in power article of impeachment with ukraine. we got that. we understand that. don't make the obstruction charge ancillary to that. focu...

Pompeo, mcgahn and others. make the obstruction article on parity not just ancillary. >> censure is being thrown around. >> i think censure is not the end of the line. i agree with you about obstruction of justice need to go nail that down rock solid. when drafting the articles of impeachment which there will be a vote on them, they do need to make sure that in drafting them, they are trying to make sure that at least as many as possible are let proof so when they are turned over to the senate for the trial, there is less room for interpretation as far as did this happen or did this not. when ...

Southern district of new york. former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official, nbc news and msnbc legal analyst, chuck rosenberg. politics editor for the root and msnbc political contributor, jason johnson. we are also joined by former u.s. ambassador to russia and msnbc international affairs analyst michael mcfaul. paul butler, georgetown school of law professor. former federal prosecutor and an nbc news and msnbc legal analyst. let me start with you, ari melber. we've been staring at the trees. there's a instinct to sometimes look at the trees and skip over the forest. but what do we se...