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Working with over there is so tainted that it poisons the whole effect of what he's trying to do. i mean to think the main point that's been reported, the main person he's been talking to, his father was head of intelligence for the kgb in ukraine. the man himself graduated from a kgb school in moscow. and the man himself was a member of a french party in the parliament of ukraine, a pro russian party. are we now going to have impeachment turn on the word of a kgb agent? come on. give me a break. >> that's why though the democrats on the other side have to use that in their opening statement i...

Government to help his political campaign? reasonable minds can differ on that. >> bill: understood on that. thank you for that. andy mccarthy. your rebuttal. >> first of all with respect even to the obstruction count, a lot of the evidence that is in the schiff report deals with actions that the executive branch took before the house formally voted to have its impeachment inquiry. and i think they took a defensible position in the white house prior to that point that unless the house voted formally to conduct an impeachment inquiry it was just a partisan stunt by the democrats in the house an...

Accounts like the obstruction count which is so specious, but he's insisting on his constitutional prerogatives to withhold witnesses and documentary evidence. most things couldn't go down to the trial but i'm actually looking forward to it because it would put immigrants back down the trail. >> i think that is part of their nervousness, about losing control of this because then it's in the hands of the senate and the president will have an actual opportunity and his defenders with make things. but listen if you could to what former solicitor general neal cattrall said about republicans, insis...

Impeachment inquiry. the time to get mulvaney, people are suggesting, is in the senate trial. if they go ahead and vote on the impeachment, it moves to the senate. with chief justice roberts in the chair presiding, they can subpoena witnesses to the senate trial and justice roberts will rule then and there about any applicable privileges so that witnesses, even if they are claiming some sort of executive privilege, might be forced to testify there. that may be what they're thinking. i think they do need to move ahead. all of this is coming out and the obstruction count is going to be very robu...

Obstruction articles in the clinton impeachment and nixon. does he have a point? >> he has a point, but that's not a legal point. that's a question of whether you can win it in the so-called trial and whether the politicians will vote one way or the other. but legally, it's actually a great technique from an ex-prosecutor standpoint that you can add in basically an obstruction count for the target's behavior. it's very powerful actually. >> jackie, the calls to mitch mcconnell's office. mcconnell's office is denying this. our reporting is that the president's been calling mcconnell at least --...