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Need to understand his state of mind during certain actions and episodes for the obstruction probe. if that's what the special counsel wants, it is the kind of questioning that really needs to be in person. you have to look at the person who is giving the answers. you have to assess them. you have to see if it works together. you want to test patterns. very tough to do in writing. this news comes as the special counsel fired back at general flynn today, showing our best example yet of how mueller will deal with lying. even though the special counsel has requested minimal punishment for the gen...

Mueller's investigation we seem to know because rudy giuliani lets tidbits drop here and there. mueller himself is way too disciplined to be giving this out himself. i frankly think that mueller probably has a great deal of evidence on the trump tower meeting. i would take what rudy giuliani has to say with a strong grain of salt. >> hmm. let me add to this. we are also learning this afternoon that robert mueller, his team, questioned chief of staff john kelly in regard to this potential obstruction probe by the president. i'm curious, this isn't just someone who was on a campaign, this is the...

Stormy daniels. >> right. >> you know, maybe we thought, okay, the payments to stormy daniels were concocted by donald trump and michael cohen. this filing seems to state that he coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls about the fact, nature and timing of the payment. so who -- you know, the next question we ask, of course, is who within the campaign was he coordinating with. >> but also donald trump. it puts his statements into clear focus. >> of course. >> because what mueller is making clear in all of this is that he views...

Brings into focus the statement on air force one about don jr.'s meeting with the russians that the president dictated. the initial misleading statement said the meeting was approximbo adoptions. we actually came to find out it was actually about getting dirt on hillary clinton. why that matters is, now you have four examples of attempts to deceive the public. and robert mueller is saying in these documents that he looks at these lies to deceive the public as part of the obstruction probe, as efforts to limit the investigation into possible russian interference in the election. and so all of t...

Said before becoming president is what he's trying to do as president. this is documented evidence now. >> it's an unequivocal clear piece of documented evidence that the president does want to mess with law enforcement any way he can. >> and whatever one thinks of james comey, we criticized his actions right here on this show, the reason comey matters is that he's key to the on have you been sh -- key to the obstruction probe. before trump fired comey, there was simply a russian collusion investigation inside the doj. firing comey raised the stakes because it raised the question of whether tr...