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To do. whether he shared the memo or not, it's clear the white house knew what they were getting when they appointed him. in selecting both an acting attorney general and an attorney general nominee, they seem to find two of the only lawyers in the country who have the most hostile views possible to this investigation. >> of robert mueller. >> that didn't happen for no reason. >> frank, let me get you in on mr. barr and ask you a version of the same question. if they knew all along that mr. barr's views about, really, all of the president a conduct that's now under scrutiny in the obstruction ...

Conspiracy, it seems to be the case, to hush up the payments to the porn stars or other women "playboy" playmates and other people and he lied about that until it became impossible for him to lie. he said he knew nothing about the trump tower meeting, that's the russia side of things. we'll see if that's true or not. i'm doubtful that will turn out to be true. and on the obstruction side of things he said all kinds of things that i'll just guess aren't correct and he probably did tell james comey to go easy on flynn and so forth so it looks like he's lied about women, russia, and obstruction a...

Just some kind of theoretical idea that the president has the power to fire mueller, as laura just said, but the strategy or details in place, that could help the obstruction side of mueller's investigation in addition to anything he's providing on the russia front as well. >> what about these dirty deeds? i've had the ac/dc song running through my head. sorry, i had to. cohen says he covered up trump's dirty deeds. we don't know what they are. what could they be? >> i expect the mueller investigation to delve more into financial dealings, the flow of money between the u.s. and abroad. if you'...

Agreement what the responses were. in normal case you would be putting your best rebuttals together. public charges you expect to come on the collusion side and the obstruction side. you would be ready to have them out publicly. in this white house, i would be very surprised if there's that kind of coordinated, vigorous, well thought out response. we haven't seen that previously. it's probably more like the president calling it a witch hunt on twitter and maybe rudy giuliani going on hannity or something rather than the serious, legal and factual rebuttal that you would expect from the highest...

In contrast to the russia stuff where we've had a series of indictments, both on the russian side of the ocean and on the u.s. side with respect to these false statements, we know something about what they've found on the russian side. we know very little or near nothing object what they've found on the obstruction side. >> ben wittes, thank you for making some time tonight. don't go anywhere, we are on hot stand by from the michael flynn sentencing memo which can come in at any moment. we'll be right back after this. this isn't just any moving day.