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There was substantial evidence of criminal intent by the president , in his view. Were going to see bob mueller walk out and were going to be watching for is he alone, is mr. Barr behind him or in the room, what are the first words that bob mueller wants to publicly utter . A man who is reticent, sometimes to a fault his supporters say. He clearly has something to say. Does he in any way elude to or cite what we know to be major disagreements with mr. Barr about what mueller found in his investigation and about evidence about sitting the president. Here we have for the first time publicly in m...

Sound complicated. how complicated is this case, do you think? >> that's a great question. you have to get back to the jury sooner or later. and you need clear evidence, and a clear story for the jury. i think this case is somewhat complicated. i think if you're not steeped in this stuff, even the word document can sound misleading. if i'm telling you, we have a list of secret spy names, right? that sounds bad. documents doesn't. if we are watching what will come, when they go to trial, they have to be clear about what the case is, what the stakes are, what the damage is. the obstruction side ...

Charges. it also is a separate crime to disseminate versus just possess. andit differentiates biden an pence. so from a political perspective it is huge because there is no evidence this happened with respect to president biden or former vice president pence. the information is not just classified information, it is one of the most sensitive types of classified information which is war plans involving potential attack on iran. so from every single aspect of this, if this reporting is accurate and there is this tape recording, there will be an indictment and it is hard to see how given all the ...

Far. >> and melissa, the government has already showed us some of what they are building on the obstruction side. it is in sort of these extraordinary releases of documents because of the extraordinary nature of going to a judge to seek approval for a search of mar-a-lago. so we know that they had evidence. and part of the reason they went before a judge to search mar-a-lago is they had probable cause to belief there was more evidence of obstruction. how do you assess the strength of the government's obstruction case? >> again, most of the time with cases like this, it's not the actual crime o...

Merrick garland spent a lot of time thinking about whether they should even execute a warrant. the fact that they did suggests a level side -- the deputy attorney office is quite alarmed by the volume of classified material. i think if there is an indictment, it's less likely to be about the boarding -- hoarding of documents, and more on the obstruction side. the justice department has made that clear in recent filings. trump's lawyers or whoever it was to ultimately not give all of the materials demanded by the subpoena, that's the avenue that's most likely for the justice department to pursu...