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Hold him accountable. >> well, can we just sort of, david, talk about that second half of it, the second hearing that's going to be before house intel? >> sure. >> everybody's going to be focused on the obstruction side of it, meaning the judiciary side of it because that's the thing that could lead to impeachment. how important is it for democrats to get to the fact -- make it really clear to people what russia did to this country and do you think that is possible with mueller sticking to the script? >> you know, so we focus on obstruction because that is the criminality, if you will. that's ...

The russians that could amount to conspiracy if we had more facts. >> yeah. >> that's something that the american people have to know. that's scary. that's dangerous. and it's up to the people, really, to demand that congress hold him accountable. >> well, can we just sort of, david, talk about that second half of it, the second hearing that's going to be before house intel? >> sure. >> everybody's going to be focused on the obstruction side of it, meaning the judiciary side of it because that's the thing that could lead to impeachment. how important is it for democrats to get to the fact -- m...

>> and you think that would be enough to stimulate a national call for impeachment? >> i think it could. we certainly saw during the watergate hearings that when the hearings started, when the evidence started being put forward, the american public wasn't there, but as they learned what was really going on in the white house, they came to that conclusion themselves. >> the real opportunity here, chris, is not necessarily on the obstruction side. i have to disagree just a little bit because we've seen the numbers on impeachment notched down to about 20% now, the public. a lot of the democrats w...

Plane encounter where trump was possibly giving a false story, something about comey. and everything about her job the white house gave a blanket objection on executive privilege, a very dubious one but one that's going to take months to work out in courts. i don't think it's a huge talking point, and what they don't have is the sort of fact witness moment. >> on the obstruction side. >> or on anything really. they want anybody up there to make any kind of factual claim that, you know, that is kind of an echo of waregate, and so far they're flailing. >> despite that, the democrats who were for...

To share anything beyond what is in his report, why, then, do you think it is important to hear from him in person testifying before congress. >> well, i think americans have busy lives. i don't think everybody is going to have the chance to sit down and read a 448-page dense report with damning information it that is important to the american public. so who better to hear from than -- as i said, the report are his words. it is his testimony. i think it will help the american people understand exactly what happened here and the extraordinary lengths to which this president went -- there is evi...