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>> not by itself to obstruction. the question would be what was his intent in doing. so but it would play into a narrative that i think leads one to conclude that the president probably has engaged in some obstructive behavior. >> you know, james comey obviously making the rounds this week and someone that you worked with had interactions with in government. what is your assessment of his character and his truthfulness? >> i think he is a truthful person. i think he is a man of honor, a person of integrity. i think he is also a person who made some really serious mistakes. i wrote an article a...

Kind of a -- not a great message to send, but is there anything sort of factually or anything specifically that you think his attendance -- why his attendance was inappropriate? do you think it sent a message in any way to anybody in law enforcement who was there or any of the other representatives, or do you think it was just kind of a perception issue? >> i think it is trying to throw their weight around. yes, i do think it is an effort to try to bully the department of justice. we've heard the president talk openly about bob mueller and rod rosenstein's jobs being on the line and that he ha...

To do quietly and that's not helpful to the president. but in and of itself i don't think it rises to the level of obstructive behavior. >> there's something that stood out about russia. he talks about talking about michael flynn and how he interrupted, to your point, interrupted as he was making a toast to prime minister theresa may and saying i want to thank you for being the first foreign leader to call. michael flynn said actually, no, she wasn't first. x person, it's been redacted, actually called a few days ago. that person was vladimir putin. he didn't know about it for some days. but a...

Obstruction where he to do that? >> i'm not sure it would necessarily by itself constitute obstruction. the question would be what was his intent in doing so. but it would play into a narrative that i think leads one to conclude that the president probably has engaged in some obstructive behavior. >> okay. so holder is saying, michael, he's also talked about how trump is putting pressure on all of our government institutions. is it a pattern of obstruction, even if each individual action may not constitute obstruction all on its own? >> a couple of things about what eric said. first is, he and...

♪now i'm gonna tell my momma ♪that i'm a traveller transitions™ light under control™ president trump is apoplectic about the fed's raid on his attorney michael cohen. but he's also increasingly angry at robert mueller and rod rosenstein. michael zeldin, former attorney general eric holder was on msnbc tonight. he was asked whether he has the power to fire rosenstein. watch this. >> yes, he can do that. >> would that constitute in your mind more evidence of obstruction where he to do that? >> i'm not sure it would necessarily by itself constitute obstruction. the question would be wha...