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about this agreement. but his primary audience is actually going to be that undecided swing voter in the middle, and really try to sell it to that voter. >> right, and chris hayes, this is a strange thing for biden. is that the fundamentals of the economy are good, and yet people feel bad. and so he's constantly in this position of trying to sell reality to people who are sort of defying reality with their sort of feel, their sort of feelings about things. >> to lawrence's point, i was a little surprised, precisely for the reason you enunciated. okay, we nade it. like not a speech gi...

fight -- ♪ o'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming. ♪ and the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air -- ♪ gave proof through the night that our flag was still there. ♪ o, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave -- ♪ o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave ♪ pete: we begin. this sunday morning with a fox news alert. a chinese warship coming within 150 yards of a u.s. destroyer in the taiwan strait in the latest chinese provocation in the region. u.s. indo-pacific command slamming their chinese counterparts for maneuvering in an unsaf...

gone before the grand jury. a dam in ukraine is breached at a key point in the war with accusations flying about who did it and a retired fbi spy catcher, remember s the spy he caught, robert hanssen who sold secrets to moscow and died in prison yesterday. we begin with a previously unknown second grand jury in the documents case and word late today that former trump chief of staff mark meadows has, in fact, testified before a grand jury unclear which one. also unclear when he testified or which line of inquiry the special counsel is pursuing. the documents for january 6th or perha...

possibility. >> right? somehow, by hook or by crook. >> good talker. >> thanks, chris. thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. we start tonight with significant breaking news, the new york times is confirming that mark meadows, donald trump's former chief of staff has testified to a federal grand jury as part of special counsel's jack smith ongoing investigations into trump's mishandling of classified information and his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. this is a major development, and we are going to talk about it in just a minute with representative jamie raskin, w...

agreement in a late night vote avoiding a disastrous default that would have crippled the economy. that bill now on its way to the president's desk, and we'll hear from him in a prime time speech planned for tonight. and later, donald trump reacting to the news that the special counsel has a recording of him talking about classified documents. two attorneys join us to talk about the legal peril that evidence could pose. and the gloves are off, trump and desantis going round for round trading blows. >> governor, how come you're not taking questions from voters? >> coming up to me ...