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Slates thanks to a small group i michigan, the michigan information and research service, mirs, which focuses on covering the michigan state capital. god bless mirs in michigan because we can hear all of this alleged conspiracy out loud as it happened on tape. listen. >> hi, representative -- my name is angela mccallum and i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c. i know you're very busy, but i did want to personally reach out to you t on behalf of the president as you've got an opportunity toe be a crucial pt of his re-election. we just wanted to make sure you know how ...

0 maddow show right starts right now. >> good evening chris, thanks my friend, much appreciated. thanks for joining us this hour, when the day this is been. be true. turns out it was rudy. here's the front page at cnn.com right now. giuliani led fake electors' plot. here's "the washington post's" version of the that same front page story today. giuliani coordinated plan for trump electoral votes in states biden won. it was mr. giuliani, apparently. you know, you find a little thread of a story, you tug and you tug and you tug some more an one day you're like one more tug on the same thread and...

Agile as he -- >> i thought his performance was okay-ish, and i think he had an opportunity toe improve a great deal. but a bunch of people are taking shots, and i thought he handled them okay. there were times when i thought he was pretty good and went on the attack and he defended hmm himself. he also did defend the legacy. this is a problem the rest have. yes, he does use obama as sort of his shield, but if you're going to go after him in recent memory, biden's recent memory, you do into smack into obama's legacy, and with respect to health care, some candidates are out there saying look at...

He's running against the socialists. and the democrats are giving him way too much of an opportunity toe be three freshmen congress women. no one on the democratic primary campaign trail is pushing back on them and they're letting them take up. don't push back, they're nervous about trying to absorb the energy on the left, and seen as scary moderate centrists. if they allow aoc to dictate the terms of the party and become the identity of the party, they're going to be in real trouble next year. >> i don't know how to say this gently, because the three of us in this conversation, this is not ou...

He had no experience at all, in government, so i'm just not sure that the age thing matters so much. it's interesting that he's fixating on that, when others are just as old as he is. or almost as old as he is. >> there's a case to be made that alexandria ocasio-cortez gets more air time on fox news. there's clearly an effort to brand her as the beating heart of the democratic party, the talk of socialism, the tower of the far left going-forward. >> president trump has starts his re-election campaign and he's running against the socialists. and the democrats are giving him way too much of an o...