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Finances were in a dire state. Hang on. There was this 22 Billion black hole. We spend 1200 Billion billion black hole. We spend i200 billion pounds every year in this 22 Billion so called black hole, a mere accounting device. In this whole debate, what the Labour Government are trying to do was to make the political point that the Conservative Party ran the country into the ground and therefore weve got to punish therefore weve got to punish the pensioners. It is absolute and complete rubbish. And what those we represent cant understand, these people who worked hard all their lives, have done...

Is fully behind the action that we are taking. The member for shipley with her huge experience in health and social care, talked about the need to work with those in supported Accommodation And Housing associations and the nhs to make sure pensioners get the help they are entitled to and i will spell some of the action out. The Memberfor Rossendale and darwen made a strong case for targeting health on the poorest pensioners and the need to tackle the root causes of poverty including insulating homes and bring Energy Costs down. And the memberfor pool, one of the things he said was the long and...

Of the build up to tonights crucial president ial debate in philadelphia, but were going top start this hour with the first real test of authority for the new uk government. This is the scene in the House Of Commons where mps are about to Vote are voting on the plan to scrap Winter Fuel payments for millions of Pensioners. Its been hugely controversial. It means that more than Nine Million Pensioners will no longer be eligible for up to 300 pounds this winter. Lets go stright to westminster and our deputy political editor, Vicky Young. Westminster and our deputy good westminster and our deputy...

Wealthy, at that level, so concerned about that. Rachel maskell is with me now. She is a Labour Mp. Why did you abstain and why did you not back the measure . I abstain and why did you not back the measure . Abstain and why did you not back the measure . I could not Su Ort back the measure . I could not support a back the measure . I could not support a measure back the measure . I could not support a measure which i cannot have this on my conscience. I have to look my constituents in the eye as i have constituents in the eye as i have over constituents in the eye as i have over the last few w...

Breaking news from here in the uk. Opposition mps in parliament have failed to block Government Plans to cut Winter Fuel payments for millions of pensioners. A total of 348 mp5 backed the government, with 228 supporting the opposition motion. It means the government won the vote with a majority of 120. As a result, an estimAted 10 Million pensioners wont get the payments to help with their winter heAting. Lets speak to our deputy political editor, Vicki Young whos inside parliament in central lobby for us. In terms of the Reaction Youve had so far, and a breakdown of the numbers, is it any cle...