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was that your intention? the president left the room and not evening signing the orders. asking the vice president to take them. house intel chair devin nunes blaming democrats for the scrutiny he is currently under. this is all about the independent commission. they don t want this to be investigated by members of congress or senate. they want an independent commission which is code word for something that lasts a long time and they can make political hay of it. we dive deeper into what we got 24 hours ago. the disclosures considering the trump administration were released in a friday document dump. how much are ivanka trump and jared kushner worth? let s check in with kelly o donnell. kelly, brief us on the figure that they are worth and the timing of the filings and release. reporter: this is a standard part of how white houses operate. they ruire anye working in the administration, whether this president or past presidents, to get personal about finances. typically, that picture isn t as intriguing, interesting or eye popping in some cases. the trump white house brought a lot of wealthy people into government service. that is something we don t always see. also, family members taking official roles in the white house although they are not taking a paycheck. that makes it interesting. it gives us a window into trump family assets and the kushner family which has an independent wealth in a family business there. so the forms are part of the ordinary course of business. they take on this trump interest level. we are talking not just about the family, but about 180 staffers at the white house who have to provide all of their information about themselves and spouse and bank accounts and investments and businesses. part of why this stands out is we have seen that the team brought in by the president is one of the wealthy to serve in the white house. this morning, a rare look inside trump family wealth. washington power couple and unpaid federal warniorkers, iva trump and jared kushner disclose their business and real estate investments as part of a do documents release on friday. making public financial disclosures. despite taking themselves out of management roles of businesses, the president s daughter and son-in-law remain beneficiaries of holdings that could be worth more than $731 million. ivanka trump also has a piece of the family s washington, d.c. hotel. her share valued between $5 million and $25 million. assets of a different kind. spot odd white house grounds friday, the top democrat adam schiff. sources tell nbc news he had a private visit with president trump. after schiff viewed the same surveillance information first shown only to republican chairman devin nunes who according to reports was tipped off by white house officials. people that probably knew about this. knew about me being there. the fact of the matter, that doesn t make them the source of my information. reporter: president trump injected himself into the fray by tweeting about his ousted national security adviser. michael flynn should ask for immunity. calling the investigation of flynn s ties to russia a witch hunt. the president had a different view last fall. if you re not guilty of a crime, why do you need immunity? back then, flynn agreed. that means you probably committed a crime. reporter: now flynn s lawyer says he has a story to tell and is interested in pursuing an immunity deal. talking with sources involved in the work on the intelligence committees, i m told the attorney for michael flynn has not made a formal request for immunity to the committee, but spoken publicly about seeking that protection for his client. we are told that the timeline for this is early. the committees are just getting going on their work. they have to do more investigation before they would know what it is that michael flynn could offer or willing to consider immunity. we are ahead of the game here. it also is a case that there is a separate investigation being done by the department of justice and the committees don t want to interfere with that. immunity seems far off. not completely off the table, but unlikely based on the people we talk to now. thomas. i expect a good lawyer would get assurances over unfair prosecution. kelly, thanks so much. the senate intelligence committee denied flynn s immunity request so far. a senior official made the same offer to the justice department. for the justice department to agree to give somebody like him immunity means they want him to turn and testify against someone higher up in the food chain. who is higher up in the food there are many democrats watching this in a fever dream over what is taking place. they are letting themselves get the cart before the horse on this. from your perspective of the house intel committee and the reports we have and knowing that flynn was an unregistered foreign agent for the turkey government, is that a big concern for the united states and the department of justice and the house intel committee to take a hard look at the actions of general flynn? i think the justice department will look at the registration and those types of things. i think obviously people are aware or were aware that general flynn was doing work with the turks. whether that qualified for regulations remains to be seen. they need to look at the more serious issues. they need to look at the total involvement of the russians in u.s. politics and business and trying to influence what goes on here in the united states. they will take a hard look at what was going on in the last days of the obama administration with the various transcripts and various intelligence reports that included trump transition personnel and where they went and who had them and who authorized them about the unmasking. the intelligence committee both of them, will have a tremendous amount of work to do over the next 6 to 12 months. do you believe russia interfered with the election and president trump was the benefactor? number one, i believe the russians were involved. i think this is an interesting thing. how were they involved in 2016 and 2012 and then 2008? i think it is unclear there was a single beneficiary. i think there were issues with james comey testifying a couple weeks ago. it is obvious they hated hillary clinton. we know that. there are also concerns about some of the policies that a potential president trump would be involved in. you know, i don t get to that nexus yet that the director did. oh, they hated hillary, so obviously they were for trump. i would like to see the intelligence and intelligence sourcing that the director of the fbi had. how close do we have human assets that provided information that enabled the director of the fbi to make that type of conclusion or is this something that do you not believe president trump? what? do you not believe president trump? what do you mean? on the campaign trail. he said he had a good relationship with russia and vladimir putin. they do good things. you don t believe president trump? there s the evidence. human evidence you are looking for coming from the president. he has a relationship with vladimir putin. he respects him as a world leader. that doesn t necessarily mean that putin is believing that i need to get this guy in here because i have a relationship with him. no, i m looking for the specific intelligence that is only available to our intelligence community that enables the director of the fbi to come out and so definitively declare the relationship or the activities by russia clearly were to favor candidate trump in an election where every pundit was saying hillary clinton was going to be the overwhelming victor on november 8th. let s see the intelligence that enables it to be. do we have that intelligence? i don t know. former congress member pete hoekstra, thank you. security officials are exploring the reason behind the sudden ban on laptops on flights from several middle east airports. nbc s pete williams. reporter: now u.s. officials say one reason for the restrictions is a government analysis suggesting that terrorists have developed the means to conceal explosives in laptops that could elude screening. u.s. officials believe terror groups are using some airport screening devices which turn out to be widely available to test their explosive designs. how big of a threat is this and will it impact you? we ll talk about that coming up. i have ahma. .one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. we re on the mov. we re on the mov. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we re good. we re good. terminix. defenders of home. in washington. joining me now is senior security analyst juan duarte. he is security advisor for combating terrorism under former president george h.w. bush. they turned down the request from flynn s attorney in exchange for the testimony for immunity. this is not unusual that they try to get that first to protect themselves. it is not unusual, thomas. the fact you have three investigations under way. one is a criminal investigation from the fbi. two, congressional investigations on the senate side and house side. you have any important witness asking for immunity. what is unusual here is it is at a very high level. the former national security adviser and it is early. what you have here is the lawyers for general flynn trying to get ahead of the narrative and curve here to demonstrate he is willing to testify, but obviously want protections. it is too early in the investigation. you have seen both the senate and house side as well as the fbi are not willing to consider this yet because the investigation is not mature enough. they need to know more and investigate more. you are talking about a senior individual asking for immunity. that is a late stage decision for the investigators. it is not unusual in asking, but it is unusual in terms of the sequence. in flynn s description of immunity last year, he constitutes immunity you get that because you have done something criminal. you think flynn and his team are surprised to be rejected by the sfet i senate intel committee? probably not. i think his lawyers are savvy enough to tell him they want the offer on the table and dictate the terms of what happens next. of course, what are you describing is the public perception of immunity in a politically charged investigation versus what it means to somebody on the other side of the table being asked the questions. potentially in jeopardy of criminal prosecution. now we don t know that to be the case, but you also have an individual who doesn t know what the investigators, especially in the fbi, are looking at. they could look at not just the russia issues, but issues tied to representing foreign nations and other activities. if you are in general flynn s seat, you want as much protection as possible before sitting in front of the legal-ites. i think of this like an onion. peel back the layers. some say it stinks and others are crying. the terrorists may have learned how to hide bombs in laptop computers. this is something we kind of covered before. they are looking to one-up and be more creative in targeting major airlines. the computer would power on to allow devices to pass through security check points, but then go to a resting mode. how big of a concern is this about large scale electronic devices from the middle east and north africa? this is a serious reminder that groups like al qaeda and isis are doing everything possible to intimidate methods. we know they operate from safe havens and developed expertise, especially from yemen. they are constantly ying to innovate or security measures. you have seen this over time. this is the latest. the shoe bomber and the liquid bomb. the underwear bomb in 2009. the laptop plot that went off in an airline out of somalia last year. you had constant attempts to innovate around security pro toe tall cals. this is the latest. the reason you have the ban is the intelligence community had specific information about the attempts to circumvent that particular security which is why the ten countries where the ban is in effect are directly implicated. authorities are very worried that you have innovation in those kinds of devices and trying to work around the security protocols. juan, if we can show that again so folks can drink in the geography. what about security at other airports? terrorists are trying to evade the security measures as they get the head s up about the ban in place and they can fly in from somewhere else. you are absolutely right, thomas. this is a great issue with transportation security. you are only as good as your weakest link. the terrorists can adapt to whatever security protocols or rings. including geography. of course, put out the protocols and security measures. they will know where you are targeting and they will find other ways in. part of the attractiveness of hitting airlines is not the human toll and economic investigaeffects and psychological. they can get on one or two flights and suddenly they are hitting the united states directly. we saw that with the underwear plot. the guy got on out of yemen, the nigerian, trying to blow himself up over detroit. this is what they are plotting. the fact they have havens and experts trying to device these devices is just a very serious reminder this is a real threat and authorities are trying to play cat-and-mouse game to get ahead of the curve and prevent these from happening. you have to be creative to stay a step ahead. juan zararte. thank you. if you are devin nunes, you can go home again, butou will catch heat. people greeted him in california and he was there among gjeers. i m not sure if nunes could hear it, but what is the way forward for this congress member? 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ask your hep c specialist about harvoni. hi, everybody. i m thomas roberts at msnbc world headquarters. we are following the blockbuster report from our colleagues at nbc news. the key documents in the russia probe after taking office. they were concerned over what could happen to classified documents, they created a list to give to senior members of the intel committee. joining me now is reporter ken dilanian. ken, what can you tell us about the report and how it was given to the senate intel committee. thomas, this is the waning days of the obama administration when they collected this intelligence of russia interf e interfering and collusion. they re concerned about what would happen when the trump administration takes office. they start spreading it around the government and one of the ways they did that was as we reported an obama administration official created a log of classified documents and hand carried it over to key members of the senate intelligence committee. this wasn t a classified document in and of itself. it referred to secret documents. it was like a master key so the senate could find these things in the event of an investigation. obviously there is an investigation now. so it just speaks to the level of concern in the obama administration about what might have happen to the stuff. one source said they didn t want it to be buried in a safe at langley. this is a table of contents for those interested to find it. the white house under president obama was suspicious of the trump administration or of the fbi or of which part? which branch of government coming in for 2017 that would let this information go dormant? great question. it looks like they were suspicious of the trump administration because they were concerned some of this intelligence and evidence implicated the administration in collusion. it hasn t been proven. we know some of the evidence included intercepts that showed contacts with trump associates and contacts. they get access to this report seeing the listing of information and learning how it s been categorized around the hill. larger effort which the times about the effort to spread intelligence around to declassified the lower level of secrecy some more people could see it. sean spicer referred to this. they feel this was inappropriate and the obama administration trying to tar the trump administration with the russia stuff inn fa stuff unfairly. we know a former obama official came on appearing on morning joe having this to say under obama. listen. i think that the revelations of evelyn farkis going on the record to talk about how they politically used classified information is troubling. so do we know there was political use for classified information here, ken? absolutely not. she said she was acting as a former government official. concerned about the russia interferen interference. to urge her former colleagues to make sure the stuff did not disappear. she said she wasn t traffic in classified information. the right wing media has seized on her comments to suggest inappropriate level of sharing. if there is nothing there, i don t understand what the trump folks would be worried about. they would want the public to know this and there is no come propers myse compromise. ken dilanian, thank you. joining us now for the reporter for the times is michelle sanders and mike hill. let s start with you, mike. the house investigation. how does it investigation move forward after schiff s visit to the white house and the lack of faith the democrats have in nunes? it depends on what nunes does. in the eyes of the democrats, this is stalled if not dead. as you mentioned, schiff was at the white house yesterday. he saw the information that nunes saw ten days before. it did not answer any questions. he wants to know why nunes was briefed by the white house over the subject of the investigation. that did not tell the members of the committee. told the press and went back and rebriefed the white house that just briefed him. it seemed to have raised more questions and concerns about chairman nunes and ability to do an i mpartial investigation. the democrats are not satisfied. i actually sat down with eric sw swalwell. he said we will look into it. without nunes directing this ship and would you tell us having faith in it, we can t do anything at all. they are pushing for the 9/11 commission style investigation. unless something significant changes and they have new faith in nunes. that is not happening. do you think and as mike is talking about, the fact that nunes some consider throwing a grenade into the house intel committee investigation of all this. really opens up the flood gates for the integrity of the other investigations and democrats and republicans who are interested in making sure that they get to the bottom of this. i think this investigation is really a test of the republican party s ability to hold to task a republican president. i think republicans and democrats both want to see an independent investigation. i think the senate will take the lead. i think devin nunes makes it harder for people and senators and committee to do their job. you have the top democrat and top republican coming out and having a rare joint press conference saying they will go as far as the investigation takes them. they will follow the evidence. they understand that because devin nunes has done what he has done a the house investigation has blown up in some ways, the senate will be held to a much higher standard. mike, when we think about the other information that came forward this week, in front of senator marco rubio with testimony. he was confronted with the fact during the gop primary campaign there was testimony of russia y interference and rubio a target. do we not consider its was more than the democrats that were targeted? they weren t compromised as well? that has been a lingering question all along. the suspicion is yes there was probably hack across the board. if that was the case, why are we only hearing about documents related to the dnc and the democrats targeted in what was released publicly? a lot of that goes back to the question of how much putin s hand is in this. it goes back to wikileaks and julian assange. he is not friend of hillary clinton. there is a partisan bent there. it depends on who you ask. if you ask the democrats, they will say it is partisan. that has been verified by the spy agencies at the top of the u.s. government. they do have validation. you are right. this is a much wider sweep. we have not seen things publicly. whether they drip out remains to be seen. i think we can probably look forward to seeing some of those things. of course, it is too late to effect past elections. it will be interesting. yamiche, do you think michael flynn asking for a fair prosecution and immunity, is that the wrong signal to send and one that democrats think may lead to something else? flynn being a lynchpin to unmasking or putting out in the public consumption something nefarious during the campaign. i think michael flynn asking r immunity creates more smoke. we are not sure there was a fire there. you have someone close to the president saying the only way he wants to testify is to somehow be shielded by prosecution. it begs the question what does he know and why does he feel he needs the immunity. how many people in the trump campaign knew what was going on if russia was meddling in the election and how did they use that information to their benefit? when you ask that question about whether or not we think there was a wider spread of information, in some ways, i think if you think about the fact of the foreign government making calculations about our election and 17 republican candidates and probably looking at the candidates deeply and really making political calculations every day and wondering if this is the day they need to release that information. yamiche, great to have you on. mike, great to have you on. we will continue to talk about this. coming up, neil gorsuch and the democrat lobbying other party members to confirm the supreme court nominee of president trump. that s next. in the next hour, undoing of obama era environment regulations. why are the safeguards so onerous to the trump administration? 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your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we re all business, mostly. probe. we have jackie who sits on the committee talks about the request. it would be granted by the department of justice if and only if it provided a bigger fish in terms of do ttting the and crossing the ts to get someone more critical in violating the law. i want to interrupt for a moment, congress member. a bigger fish. he was the national security adviser to the president. there are not a lot of bigger fish out there. that s right. joining me now is joel benison and former senior adviser for hillary clinton s campaign. as we hear what congress member spears said there and we know flynn was dismissed incomplete information to the vice president about his call with the russian ambassador. let go for that. so pence is technically cleared of any wrongdoing? is this all about immunity and whether or not he should be given it that would compromise something about our president? i think prosecutors or committees want to know is what does this person really have? you suddenly say i ll come in and i want immunitimmunity. they want to make sure you have something there before they give you a free pass. we know how they were talked about with the clinton campaign with the e-mail server. he constitutes immunity with a criminal act. that is the only reason you ask for that. and candidate trump and president donald trump said why do you need that immunity? that is a supposition that you are worried you could be prosecuted for something. that is absolutely the concern. there are other nuances involved. clearlyamiss here. to have the administration dig in on this. imagine with a president of the united states who said we need to get to the bottom of this. russia meddling in our election and france election. we have richard burr, the chairman of the senate committee. we know russia is meddling in france now. to have a president denying this instead of saying we need to get to the bottom of this and stop it because it is a danger to democracy is a totally different issue. both president trump and flynn raising suspicion about themselves and evnterprise by te investigation. we are 72 days in to the administration. this russia shadow. the scandal of that continues to linger. the effectiveness of the white house in trying to get things done other than executive order is faltering. how do they keep up with what they laid out on the agenda? and they have a problem. the ability to put behind them the questions of the russia investigation. it is an exacerbated by the tweeting behaviors. they are not able to put behind them the episode where he disgracefully accused his predecessor of tapping his phones. they aren t dealing with the day-to-day well on the big issues like health care or anything else. they are showing a complete lack of expertise. how you get people to work together and solutions that you can get passed and adopted and meaningful for people. there are no major accomplishments. we are coming up on 100 days. everything they put their foot into, they stepped in, inn credited of creating a rainbow or halo effect. we know speaker ryan was instrumental if whn what took p with health care and what didn t take place. this is what he said about taking control. if we don t do this, he ll just go work with democrats to try and change obamacare, and that s hardly a conservative thing. this republican congress allows the perfect to be the enemy of the good. i worry we ll push the president into working with democrats. he s been suggesting that as much. do you think democrats are open to that, joel, or is that too much of a stigma to bear at this point? democrats i think would be always open to improving health care for americans. we re the ones who covered 15 million people through obamacare. i think you saw speaker ryan shoot himself in the foot there, the notion of working with democrats, the bigger problem is not that they re willing to work with democrats, it s that they haven t been able to lead on a major policy issue and set out a cohesive argument for anything they re trying to do. they re running a campaign now and they re losing. it s trump against trump, the white house against the white house. they don t know how to lead, and with the leadership and what washington requires is leadership coming from the president. you don t just lob out to what you say you have to do. you have to have a coherent plan, bring the players together. that s how president obama worked and when he did get things done, that s how it happened. as we look ahead to what it means for ideology as opposed to compromise, the supreme court pick in neil gorsuch and the fact that there are certain democrats talking about crossing over to vote for him and this being the fact heidi hide camp has talked about this. do you think there will not be a filibuster effort from the democrats and neil gorsuch will sing through? i think right now it looks like there will be a filibuster effort. i think the whole way both parties are treating supreme court justices right now is a real risk. these folks have lifetime appointments for a reason. it s to take them out of politics. i think when senator mcconnell ten months out from an election said he wasn t even going to give a well-qualified judge, same rating as judge gorsuch, judge merrick garland, wouldn t give him a hearing, he in a toxic way infused politics into this process. i think we re now on a road to a head-on collision that i think could be very unfortunate. i think both parties need to get to the table and solve this for a long time. if we start creating a quagmire every time a supreme court justice is nominated by either party, that s a danger to our democracy. thank you, joel. appreciate it. family finances, a new report revealing the enormous wealth of ivanka trump and her husband jared kushner. a big number, great for them, beautiful couple. it does raise a lot of questions about this unpaid couple now working in the white house. back with more after this. you ll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes. priority boarding. and 50,000 bonus miles. everything you need for an unforgettable vacation. the united mileageplus explorer card. imagine where it will take you. .one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo is specifically designed to open up airways to improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. learn more about better breathing at mybreo.com. hey, you bought gas-x®! unlike antacids, gas-x ® relieves pressure and bloating fast. huh, crisis averted. i got it. i gotcha baby. 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happenstance? yes, absolutely. the irony of roger stone rejecting a conspiracy theory. and so today, april 13th, 2017, was the day that america woke up to the sudden knowledge that bombs have mothers. that all of the conventional nonnuclear bombs in the american military arsenal have one big beautiful mother. and there she is. the bomb s official name for bookkeeping purposes in the military is the gbu-43. the letters on the side of the bomb describe its function, what you can expect from it. massive ordnance air blast. but the military doesn t want us to call it the gbu-43, or the moab. names are important to the military. they name their bases after war heroes, after general, including generals who have committed treason by fighting in the confederate army against the united states of america. the biggest u.s. military base in the world, the one with the biggest military population is in fort hood in texas, named after treasonous confederate general john bell hood. but the military s most important names, the names that are designed to deliver a message sometimes subliminal, sometimes very direct are the names of weapons. the military s best names for weapons humanize the weapons. that is what they are intended to do. the gbu-43, the biggest nonnuclear bomb the united states has never, ever used until today, april 13th, 2017. the gbu-43 had to wait years for its first use. during the bush administration, it replaced the blu-82, which until then was our biggest bomb. the blu-82 was used frequently in vietnam. the military ace name for it was the daisy cutter. not the baby killer. not the family killer. not the village killer. the daisy cutter. the military s nicknames for bombs are designed to do two things. impress you with something about the bomb. its precision, its power, its enormity. but the best military names for weapons and bombs are designed to inspire awe and affection. and so the bomb that the bush and obama administration refused to use and has now been used by the trump administration is called the mother of all bombs. when the president was asked today about using that bomb for the first time in history, it sounded like he did authorize th the bomb in that instance. it sounded like perhaps he had given the general authorization to general mattis to use whatever weapon he decided was right for the mission. did you authorize it, sir? everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a great job as usual. we have given them total authorization. and that s what they re doing. frankly, that s why they ve been so successful lately. the president got glowing review last week from most of the media in his first use of tomahawk missiles, his reviews on the use of the military s most destructive nonnuclear bomb will have to wait until there are at lst initial reports on the number of civilian casualty, if any, and what tactical gain was achieved by the gbu-43. now to the news that donald trump cannot bomb away, the guardian is reporting that british intelligence first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents. this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. sources also told the paper that over the next six monday. until summer of 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between trump s inner circle and the russians. the european countries that passed on electronic intelligence included germany, estonia and poland. according to the guardian, the alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of russian intelligence assets. at no point was british intelligence carrying out an operation against donald trump or his campaign. former trump campaign adviser carter page, who was the subject of a foreign intelligence surveillance court warrant last summer said this morning that he may have discussed lifting u.s. sanctions on russia during a trip to moscow last year. it sounds like from what you re saying it s possible that you may have discussed the easing of sanction. something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn t it? this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. joining us now, malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. and david frump, senior editor. i want to talk about the massive bomb that was dropped today and your interpretation of its use and what you think it might have been able to achieve in that usage. well, the gbu-43 is really just an area destruction device. it s designed to make a big blast over pressure. a lot of earthquaking, knock down tunnel, destroy people and tunnels that are out in the field. it s just another bomb. and i think people are sort of looking over the fact that it was dropped in a combat zone. a b-52 carrying 32 j-dam bombs could have caused much more devastation with much more precision. the air force wanted to use this device, and they did. david fromm, the reports today, it wasn t just the british picking up something involving trump world and the russians, estonia, poland. it sounds like there was a lot to pick up. and the polls have particularly sophisticated intelligence service, and have been very interested in the ukraine case. poland and ukraine are neighbors with deep histical relaonships. poland contains many more consulates in ukraine than the united states does and it knows a lot about the career of paul manafort. that name would ring some very noisy alarm bells in warsaw. david corn, the way the we just heard the cia director talk about wikileaks compared to the way the president has talked about wikileaks. it s another one of those congressional i don t know. that s crazy talk. but nevertheless, it is so absurd, you know, because at the same time donald trump still says this is all a hoax. malcolm nance, you have literally written the book about this, about the russian influence in this election and what they were up to. just give us your assessment about the last 24 hours of new informatio well, i m afraid to say this is what separates intelligence officers from journalists, you know. i wrote this almost seven months ago now. that if you were ever going to get a scoop with relation to information coming out about the trump administration s activities related to foreign intelligence, it was going to come from a foreign intelligence agency. pretty sure that i said estonia would be the first one. because as we learned, they have very close ties with the united states and other allied nations. and they re very, very good at certain types of special intelligence. that s what we call signals intelligence. and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it s going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it s going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. are people in the trump tillerson admitted it. nikki haley admitted it. mike pompeo said it today. while roger stone is out there pushing conspiracy theorys on this network and others. so can they kind of act as if they re legitimate, even when they re working for a fellow who denies the original sin of this administration and still continues to say things that make no sense? i think the answer to that, david, would be from a moral point of view, maybe not. from a practical point of view, everybody has to be less fussy. malcolm nance, isn t it a question of what are they saying from this point forward? when you look at what tillerson was saying the week before the chemical attack in syria, he seemed like he hadn t even found his way around the office yet and didn t have the vaguest idea what a reasonable talking point sounded like on syria, saying he was going to leave it to, what, haley as u.n. ambassador has been far ahead of even mcmaster and mattis. and the strength of her statements about russia and syria. and so now it appears that it s coming together at least on these two points, even though as i contend, the attack on syria was a complete wash. we didn t destroy anything. we didn t destroy chemical weapons. we just showed that we knew how to turn the key and launch cruise missiles. so i think that the white house in some respects is coming together. and if these threats and statements about north korea are true, as we re going to talk about a little later, they had better get their acts together. because this is the sort of talk that will bring this nation into war or to a crisis that will, you know, resemble the paces to war. david, when you talk about hemming in a president, that has been done in the past in a more subtle way. just the advisers would basically the experts in the areas of defense or whatever it was would present a set of possibilities. only one of which looked possible and the others just weren t. and so that was always the traditional way if the advisers were trying to hem in the president. well, it is a more extreme way, which you ll rember from the history, james schlesinger in the last days of watergate telling the nuclear command by the way, i m putting myself as secretary of defense into the nuclear command. if you get any funny orders from the president, just run them past me. this was when president nixon was up drunk late at night in the white house. taking pills. and approaching the point of being forced to resign. his said don t take any nuclear orders from him in the middle of the night. right. unless you cleared them with me. so presidents can be hemmed in. the question, how many weeks did that occur over? 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there. is a psychological component to all aspects of warfare. the goal is to not have a war. the goal is to have the pressure be so great that saddam hussein cooperates. short of that, an unwillingness to cooperate, the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the iraqi military to fight against the coalition. david corn, the bomb was available to the bush administration. it was available to the obama administration every day. they chose never to use it. and we have yet to find out exactly what went into the decision for the trump administration to use it, and whether the president even knew that it was beg ed before it was used. let s start with the principle, the assumption that the people who were bombed know they were bombed. and so nothing that happened is a secret to them. they know where they were. they know what happened. i think the american public is now owed similar information. as the ambassador said, what was the intended target, and did it hit the intended target? why was this weapon needed when other alternatives were not used? and you know, what can we learn about civilian casualties and collateral damage as they you have call it. this one weapon, we can get maybe overly overwrought about it. but i still think since they used it for the first time these questions still should be answered. i don t see any reason why the american public can t get these simple answers. it s a $15 million bomb. ambassador bringingety, why did the bush administration, the obama administration decide never to use that bomb? there could be any number of reasons. one might be frankly that the particular tactical circumstances never presented themselves. and by that to be able to use a weapon that is that has that kind of blast radius, you would have do be very confident of one two of things. either that there would be virtually no civilians that would be impacted by the blast, or that the target that you were attacking was of such profound military value that it would justify the sorts of civilian casualties that would result. so one could be that neither the bush administration nor the obama administration ever found themselves in that particular sort of circumstances. another could be that frankly, the weapon that is that large, it s hard to imagine environments short of dropping it on the moon that you would like not be likely to impact civilians. and frankly, what we may be seeing is frankly a very different set of calculus that are being taken by the trump administration as impact for civilian casualties and the willingness they re prepared to give to the military commanders to have that sorts of flexibility of decision making on the ground. how long will it take to get the after action report on this bomb? it depends. it depends on how much access u.s. and coalition forces have to the area, whether there is a permissive environment that will allow that. frankly, it also depends on whether or not other hostile forces take their own crews in to make videos of potential civilian casualties for their own propaganda efforts. so we ll have to wait and see. we ll leave there it for tonight. david corn, thank you very much for joining us. ambassador brigety, we re going to need you for one more segment here. coming up, the reporting that the president trump administration has a plan for preemptive attack on north korea. but every administration has such an attack plan, has had such an attack plan on north korea. will this one be used? 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well, it s quite possible that now that e conditions have changed, north korea may in fact be either planning an atomic detonation, or some sort of surprise with regards to their intercontinental ballistic testing machine. just in case. the problem here with the trump administration is over the last two weeks they ve used phrases from the secretary of state himself like imminent threat . those words that if china doesn t help us, we will go it alone. those words resonate. not just to the north koreans, but to everyone in the entire region that maybe this time the war plan the united states has is something that they re taking very seriously, and that they tend to intimidate north korea. north korea doesn t intimidate very well, and that these words could have very, very serious dramatic action. let s listen to what former obama cia director and defense secretary leon panetta said about this tonight. there are no good options here. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that s the reason we haven t pulled the trigger. ambassador brigety, is it possible, is there another possibility that if a weapons system was attacked in north korea from the united states, that north korea would simply take the hit, that they would just absorb the hit and not attack south korea? i have never heard of any analyst that follows the region that thinks that s a possibility. we have is a very mercurial regime in pyongyang, particularly under this younger rur kim jongn, who has not only demonstrated his willingness to show belligerent through mill tests but willing to kill his own kin, as we saw by a successful assassination attempt by his half-brother in kuala lumpur. we certainly have uncertainty on the leadership on both sides of this equation, uncertainty with the leadership of kim jong un, and frankly, and respectfully uncertainty in regard to president trump who has demonstrated the ability to change 180 degrees, whether it be syria, on china, with regard to the irrelevance of nato, his view on profound pillars of the international system. and that level of uncertainty on both sides of the equation is what is new in this particular circumstance, and frankly, what is so disconcerting. malcolm nance, if you war game this out for the president, he takes a preemptive strike against north korea. you have to then war game for the president what north korea is going to do. would there be anyone war gaming that in the pentagon or in the white house with any credibility saying that no south koreans would then be killed by north korea? well, yes. we ve been red teaming this, war gaming this since 1953. and in every scenario, like the ambassador said, north korea, you know, they have this proclivity towards moving to the extreme. and for them sinking a vessel, coming out, you know, interdicting commercial and naval traffic throughout the sea of japan, or launching thousands of rockets into south korea, that s the way they red team this game. they understand and they know that america knows that the only options here when given this, and this is why leon panetta was so distraught in his words is that they have the option of creating massive numbers of casualties. in south korea, whether it s going out and engaging on a military force. but let me tell you. one last thing. this isn t my usual area of expertise. you know, in the western pacific. however, there is one thing that i do know. north korea is so dug in with their weapon systems since the korean war, since 1953 when it ended that the only way you re going to get rid of that nuclear program is to burn it out with a nuclear bomb. and we are not going to carry out that type of attack. north korea now has demonstrated atomic weapons systems. and we don t know how their delivery systems or whether they ve been perfected. and they don t have to be perfected. they can put out out on a trawler in the sea of japan and detonate it and make things very unpleasant for japan and south korea. it s something we shouldn t even be discussing is now being discussed. we re going have to leave it there for tonight. malcolm nance gets the last word. ambassador brigety and malcolm nance, thank you for join us. coming up, coming up on tuesday in georgia, democrat jon ossoff has a big lead in that race. and he will join us next. i m going to the bank, to discuss a mortgage. ugh, see, you need a loan, you put on a suit, you go crawling to the bank. this is how i dress to get a mortgage. i just go to lendingtree. i calculate how much home i can afford. i get multiple offers to compare side by side. and the best part is. the banks come crawling to me. everything you need to get a better mortgage. clothing optional. lendingtree, when banks compete, you win. okay! .awkward. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have tse, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain, i can be more active. ask your doctor about lyrica. in the next special election for a vacant congressional seat, which is going stop in georgia, the democrat has a 31-point lead over his closest republican challenger. tom price vacated the seat to join the trump cabinet. in november, price won that seat by 24 points. donald trump won the district by just one point. tonight jon ossoff is running at 43% in the polls. his closest challenger is at 12%. the top two finishers will face each other in a runoff election, unless one of the candidates gets over 50% of the vote. the district is in suburban atlanta. it has been a republican district for 38 years. this used to be newt gingrich s district. the leading republican candidate is karen handel, who used to be vice president of the komen foundation. she resigned from the foundation after she urged them to cut off grants to planned parenthood. today at an event closed to the press, president trump quietly rolled back protects for planned parenthood, signing a bill that will allow states and local governments to withhold federal money to planned parenthood. democrat jon ossoff joins us next. t. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh . he got there. that s the power of and. eep. you had a long, stressful day, and now you need a little help falling asleep. time for unisom sleepminis. the little capsules work fast so you get a good night s sleep and wake recharged. unisom sleepminis. a stressful day deserves a restful night. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even a coupe soup. 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it was of major concern. you are talking about a proposal to throw 24 million off of their health insurance back into the emergency room at taxpayer exsense. it also would have gutted the georgia based centers for disease control and prevention which helps the whole country. it was an unpopular bill here. so, too, as today s closed door signing of a bill attacking family planning and reproductive health been greeted with concern in this district. there has been a lot of outside help for you in this campaign. the fund is obviously surprising everyone. it is a massive amount of funding for a congressional campaign. were you surprised that you were able to attract that much campaign help? it has taken on a bit of a life of its own. i m proud of the fact that it s small dollar grassroots fun raising. the average an trick to my campaign is $42. when you have super pacs from washington coming in with cynical partisan attacks on candidates like me who are standing up against corruption and for a change in corruption i m glad it s grassroots funding if no one clears 50% on tuesday. the runoff will be on june 20th. the early numbers suggest an outright win on tuesday is possible. either way we will be ready to fight and win if there is a runoff. in your strategy, do you have to hold some of your financial resources for that possible runoff and not go all out on advertising spending between now and tuesday? we are doubling down right now on a win on tuesday, because it is within reach. the grassroots intensity in georgia is unlike anything that i ve seen in this community before. there are thousands of volunteers knocking on doors and making phone calls. it s a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it s a broad coalition ready for some fresh leadership and i think we have a great shot on tuesday of an outright win. this was not one those campaigns that you could plan, that you could look out two years out and say i think i m going to go for that seat. this suddenly came up because there was suddenly a vacancy, donald trump surprises the world, wins the election, and then chooses your congressman for his cabinet. when did you decide to make a run for this seat? well, after the presidential election, i began to think about whether i needed to get more involved directly now. i asked i myself if not now, when, when i learned that my hometown congressman was vey kagtd i started looking at the race. the moment i set my heart on it was after a meeting with john lewis. he told me i should run and that he would endorse me if i did and i walked out of that meeting with my mind made up. john ossoff, candidate for georgia s sixth congressional district. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump versus donald trump. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should ve done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. it can seem like triggersent. pop up everywhere. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. but we ve got the get tdigital tools to help. now with xfinity s my account, you can figure things out easily, so you won t even have to call us. change your wifi password to something you can actually remember, instantly. add that premium channel, and watch the show everyone s talking about, tonight. and the bill you need to pay? 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bill: should he step down or not? should not. adam schiff was a staunch supporter of secretary clinton while involved in the benghazi investigation and nobody s calling on him to recuse himself. devin is the chairman of house intel whether they like it or not. what we need to do is focus on the witnesses and accessing the documents and find the facts for our fellow citizens. it should not be a bipartisan investigation. let s meet witnesses. bill: nunes has said it had nothing to do with russia. if that s not the case why not clear it up? what s his source and what information was he given on the ground of the white house? on the source i found it interesting last week parts of the main street media beat the daylights out of republicans for 12 years to successfully win the electoral college. what do you want to start with? that s a good place to take our lead. bill: does that suggest you re confused what his priority is? i ve talked to mick mulvaney more than i want to i think it s health care but if we re not going to get that done let s move to infrastructure and tax reform. bill: you were in the conference yesterday i didn t mean to interrupt you but in the interest of time what s the consensus of the three items you just listed there? health care. let s see if we can do health care. we have a window with reconciliation. it s an arcane word but important word. we have a window with rec reconciliation and it s more time sensitive we do health care. let s see if we can get that right. bill: thank you for your time today. trey gowdy on the hill with a range of topics today. thank you, sir. we ll get an updated view on the russia matter later today. the top two members of the senate intel committee as they hold a joint news conference this afternoon. their first public update since launching their investigation in january. live coverage of that. the committee also holds a meeting on russia. all that on the docket to come. shannon: also today, president trump tapping new jersey governor chris christie to head a task force on opioid addiction and looking at the possibility of bipartisan health care reform. a deal. i know we ll all make a deal on health care. it s an easy one. i have no doubt it will happen quickly. i think it s going to happen because we ve all been promising, democrat, republicans, all that to the american people. shannon: chief white house correspondent john roberts from the north lawn says it s an easy one. is health care back on the agenda now? it was so easy look what happened last week. maybe it s not so easy. we don t know when it s going to happen or if it s going to happen but it s clear the white house and house republicans and some senators as well are taking another look at whether or not they can put together a health care bill. you saw the president last night with senators from capitol hill on the republican and democratic side last night here at the white house over for dinner. the president talking about recruiting democrats to get on board a health care bill. the language aimed at conservatives who scuttled the idea of a vote and it implied the conservatives wouldn t be happy with the bill that attracted democratic support. they may want to be on board. yesterday the press secretary said there were preliminary discussions in terms of where they can make it go. here s sean spicer. have we had discussions and li listened to ideas? yes. are we planning a strategy? not at his time. there s individuals on both sides of aisle reaching out to the president and key staff members to share ideas and additional ways forward. the art of the deal is how to thread the needle to bring conservatives and moderates together and bring them a little bit of what they want without driving the other side apart it s like newton s law for every action there s an equal reaction. shannon: like jenga game. meanwhile the president now focussing on opioid addiction. he talked a lot about this during the campaign. it was a big deal particularly in new hampshire and not letting the issue go. he s expected to sign an executive order not today i m told. to start a task force to look at opioid addiction headed up by chris crist christie. he has had experience with this a good friend of his an attorney died from the addiction. this looks at the issue of prevention and addiction of drugs before they come it our country and importantly the issue of treatment. addiction is a disease and we need to treat it that way and get these people the help they need to renew their live and become productive members of society. again a listening session on all that this morning at 11:00. not likely the president will sign the executive order to strike it task force today but in the near future. shannon. shannon: john roberts live at the white house. thank you very much. bill, we ve talked a lot about the issue. the numbers are stunning. just over the last four and five years skyrocketing. bill: more on that come up next hour two with marc siegel and an interesting piece in the wall street journal. and senator mccain is standing by to talk about the russia deal and the critical battle in iraq led by u.s. and iraqi forces on isis. stand by on that. shannon: and attorneys for aaron schock saying he was taken down by a staffer acting as an informant for the fbi calling that illegal. how they re hoping to get the charges dropped. bill: and heartbreak in the heartland, three storm chasers pay for their pursuit with their lives. that in a moment. we had that thing s number. it was going wren and all of a sudden it turned on us and was coming up behind us and changed from us chasing being chased. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org. bringing tore tore and three storm chasers have died. two worked with the weather channel including kelly williamson. what i like is we re able to stream it live on the weather channel while it happens. people can sit at home where as it s safe and we re out there getting the shots. they can sit there and watch it on your tv screen and we enjoy doing it. shannon: texas authorities say williamson was driving a car when it hit another car and in the crash was his chasing partner 55-year-old randall yarnel and authorities are still trying to figure out exactly what happened. i got a call from general mattis. we re doing very well in iraq. our soldiers are fighting and fighting like never before and the results are very good so i wanted to let everyone know. bill: president trump addressing members of congress on iraq. this after the senate armed services committee had a closed door meeting on the military budget increase. the chairman of that committee is with me senator john mccain. become to america s newsroom. good morning to you. good morning, bill. bill: late last night the white house you were there after the iraqi prime minister said isis militarily will be defeated within a matter of weeks. is that the timetable you understand, sir? i m not sure about that, bill, but i m satisfied we re on the right track and using the right assets and increasing the latitude of the military commanders to take action as the situation warrants. we re devoting sufficient assets and a strategy general mattis and general dunford are developing. it s not completely developed yet but it s a dramatic shift from the failed strategies or lack of strategy of the previous administration. bill: you made a commitment on behalf of the commander in chief, i think you d agree with that and you need people like general mattis to lead the charge. you re saying you see a difference. and the national security team the president has assembled around him are stronger than i ve ever seen. i m very pleased with that. these are top-notch people. bill: isis is one topic. russia s another. sean spicer said the media obsessed when he said this yesterday. if the president puts russian salad dressing tonight on his salad that s a connection. bill: is that appropriate? the issue has to be thoroughly investigated. i m pleased the senate intelligence committee seems to be working together. senator burr and senator warren. i think it reached a level where it requires a select committee but there s too many unanswered questions and it seems every few days there s a new revelation of some kind. obviously there s a schism in the house intelligence committee. i guarantee you you cannot get things accomplished unless it s done in a bipartisan way. bill: you said yesterday there s other russian activities going on. it s a broad statement, i know, but to whom were you referring or to what? what do you know? this morning there was an nbc report about money going through cyprus attributed to manafort. whether they re valid or not i can t make a judgment. bill: some believe the white house is trying to prevent the hearings and the information getting out there. i do not. i do not believe the white house is trying to block this investigation. i do believe that congress nunes should have consulted with other members of the committee before he took the action he took. and i believe the example set by committees in the past and now being set by the senate intelligence committee is the way you should move forward and get things resolved. bill: last topic. i don t know how you feel about going back to health care but the president appears ready to do that. if you can pick your list of priorities what would it be? my first priority would be to try to have a choice for citizens. in arizona it s imploding. premiums have gone up 125% down to one provider down from as many as a dozen. it s a disaster in my state and imploding and needs to be fixed. i hope we can come together and bring democrats along in these discussions. one of the problems is you can t do this kind of reform in a single party line basis. you have to get people together and sit them down and work this out. bill, we have to do something. bill: understood. thank you for coming back, senator. john mccain on the hill. shannon: our chief correspondent mike emanuel has been chasing devin nunes all over capitol hill and just tracked him down and has brand new information you ll hear here first. wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars one-way. yes to low fares with nothing to hide. that s transfarency. home security. every situation is a little different. it could be about billing, simple questions like changing the phone number. sometimes, they want to upgrade, downgrade, but at the end of the day, you want to take care of the customer. one of the great things about comcast, there s always room to move up. of course, it depends on you, how hard you work. shannon: house intelligence committee chair devin nunes just speaking and mike emanuel tracked him down. good morning. devin nunes has called the calls for him to step down from the probe politics and he is heading for the united states capitol. he stopped and talked with us for a moment and here s what the chairman had to say. as far as i know they ve done little to look through the documents the intelligence community provided. we ll see who is doing a real investigation and you ll find out we re very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. are you worried about being able to work with mr. schiff. we always want to keep the committee bipartisan but at the end of the day we ll do an investigation with or without them and if they want to participate that s fine. but the facts are pretty clear they have no we don t even know who the witnesses are they want to call. i would encourage you guys to start to follow them around and figure out who they want to bring in and interview. you heard me mention adam schiff. he s the top democrat on the house intelligence panel. there s been friction between schiff and chairman nunes with ranking member schiff asking him to recuse himself from the russia probe and chairman nunes is continuing to do work and calling on democrats to be bipartisan in the investigation. shannon: he s used to having the cameras all over him right now and the suggestion to you the media start following around the democrats and start asking them questions. mike emanuel. thank you. thank you. bill: 27 minutes past the hour. in a moment we ll take you to the stock market and see how the stocks are shaking up when the opening bell goes off and the panel will tell us what we really need to know with the russian connection. that s coming up next. 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he should voluntarily step down. there comes a time and i m putting on my lawyer hat where a person becomes a witness and he s acting as an investigator and having meeting with the white house that maybe are material to the investigation itself so when you become a witness you lose your objectivity and become the target of the information you re supposed to be investigation. i think it s in the best interest of the committee for him to recuse himself from the investigation and remain chair and let it proceed in a bipartisan manner. shannon: let s parse this. which investigation? he said what they talked to the white house about is separate about unmasking, surveilling, people would may have been caught up in that and how the information was disseminated. that s a different track and investigation and potential collusion with russia and the trump campaign. i think it s an investigation now where you can call it one but it s all intertwined. there s no way for him not to be able to separate these events because we re talking about the trump white house and talking about an investigation under his committee. the whole thing was about independent bipartisan investigation and until about ten days ago nunes and adam schiff were always together and were presenting together that bipartisan investigation. i think that s gone. that s totally gone now and whether it s politics or unforced errors this is just creating the need and the calls for an independent investigation and i don t think this committee s going to be able to put it back hannon: what do you what he told mike emanuel on capitol hill. we ll get to the truth and you ll see the investigation and with or without the democrats and people will see when it unfolds and he speaks with somebody with the confidence of knows what he s doing. but the key phrase is with or without the democrats. that s not how you ll get to the bottom of this. i think for the president and the administration it would be far better to have either the kind of bipartisan investigation that seems to be going on in the senate side and was happening on the house side is not any more because if there s nothing there and you get that kind of investigation that clears the white house that s what they need to get all this russia stuff behind them. instead i think this just prolongs and creates the rancor and makes it partisan which will not serve the white house well even if they re clear. shannon: he has the confidence of speaker paul ryan and they worked on different committees and said he has his full confidence. how do republicans walk through this? do they go down an independent body and i understand we re waiting on things from the nsa and they re cooperating and the i am my implication is they will get those do they wait it out? nunes himself said and i agree with joe if this can t be bipartisan there s a taint and we should have an independent investigation because the constitutional is for congress to be the oversight. this is their job. they need to do their job and do it right and they need to do it in a bipartisan fashion. investigation should not be skew by ideology or affiliation. shannon: you think they can keep it. and if nunes were to do that he takes the heat off the speaker. shannon: the fbi is still investigating all these things in a separate branch and track. do you have confidence in director comey? there s another thing politicized throughout the campaign and there s more faith in the justice department and comey than there s no faith right now on the house intelligence committee unless nunes no, i agree with brad. it can be if nunes recuses himself and removes himself from leading on this part of the investigation. let somebody else take it and get the committee back to the bipartisanship that existed ten, 15 days ago. shannon: they ll start singing kumbaya there s a lot of agreeing happening. bill: as the debate over sanctuary cities continues homeland secretary john kelly and we ll hear from several marries. the closed-door meeting comes after the a.g., jeff sessions threatened to cut off funding to sanctuary cities. what reception does secretary kelly expect to receive at the meeting, doug? first off this invitation was extended to dhs secretary john kelly by the u.s. conference of mayors which is a bipartisan organization so in that sense we expect cordiality and the issue of immigration is partisan and jeff sessions announced the new immigration policy will be enforced by depriving sanctuary cities of funding and that s in the going over over with some. our job is to enforce the laws of the direct of columbia and we re not local i iso officials. we believe it will make our community less safe and as chief of police i don t think i should be involved in behavior that makes our city less safe. and this from boston mayor martin walsh he wrote the safety and well being of our residents is and will continue to be my top priority as the mayor of boston. the threat of cutting federal funding that aim to foster trusting relationships between the law communities is irresponsible. the structure in most big cities from the school boards to the city councils is almost overwhelmingly predictable. we expect a court fight. bill: there s similarities over this and president trump s travel ban. how does that play out in a similar fashion? precisely. it lends credence to the idea it s going to be a court fight in the making. recall president trump when he issued the travel ban repeatedly sided the u.s. code. this is the sole responsibility of the president of the united states. here s what the president and his minions said repeatedly. suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president. ok. now, this isn t just me, this is for obama, for ronald reagan, for the president. this was done very importantly for security. but you ll recall the ninth circuit court of appeals paid no attention to that provision in the u.s. code when they ov overturned the travel ban. expect the same on the immigration policy. bill: thank you, doug. shannon: a fox news on brexit. the u.k. officially filing divorce papers with the european union. nine months after voting to leave theresa may invoking article 50 that will undo four decades of treaties and regulation. bill: and stung new details in the corruption case against congressman aaron schock and that an fbi informant cost him his job. we ll look at the evidence. plus, there is this. shannon: stunning new video from the frontlines in mosul as the pentagon looks at a report an airstrike may have killed hundreds of civilians. the latest on that investigation. nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell. glad bag, full of trash. what happens next? nothing. only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days. guaranteed. even the most perceptive noses won t notice the trash. be happy. it s glad. when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn t have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. bill: attorneys for aaron schock now say a congressional staffer acts as an fbi and saying it was a violation of his rights. he is set for corruption and fraud charge. with me judge andrew napolitano. nice to see you. good morning to you. you ve had a few quiet days. you ve likely needed them. before we get to the case facing the former congressman of illinois you put out a statement saying you were confident in the story you reported here in the past month. yes. bill: do you still stand by that? yes, and the sources stand by it. the american public needs to know more about this rather than less because a lot of the government surveillance authorities will expire in the fall and there ll be a great debate on how much authority we want the government to have to surveil us. the more the american public knows the more informed and congress s decisions will be. bill: so no change then. correct. bill: and we ll see how it plays out. i think more will come out. bill: more on aaron schock. they alleged the fbi wired one of his former assistants. so far we re ok. passively sitting back and engaging the criminal target in a target as an acceptable law enforcement tool but they allege he went through desks and hacked computers. that s a profound violation of the congressman s rights. under the supervision of the fbi it would be a profound violation of the fbi s role in law enforcement. it s so serious it could result in the indictment against him. the kicker is they didn t need to do this. the evidence of congressman s guilt the misuse of federal and campaign funds for personal benefits is overwhelming. they didn t need what they gathered bill: they say the documents are his own personal property. i thought he worked for the people? it depends on what they took. if it s government property and the young man took them, the young man committed a crime. if it s personal property and he young man took them he committed a crime in either case they can t be use. if the fbi directed the young man to do this then they improperly investigated the congressman. the fbi may say we don t know everything he was doing. we weren t in the office and he wanted to play fbi agent on his own. that s what a judge will have to decide. bill: so they have protection from the executive branch is what you re arguing here? we all have constitutional protections but congress has more because it s a different branch of the government. if the executive branch interferes with the legislative branch that violates what we call the separation of powers. very interesting case. bill: apparently took a plane to see a chicago bears game. this is the allegation now. had super bowl tickets, world series tickets and sold them for money. can you defend this? that misrepresented the time he drove in his car to be compensated for more than he was entitled to and didn t report income on his income tax returns. the evidence of his guilt is overwhelming but he may skate because of what this over zealous behavior of the informant. bill: how often does the fbi need an insider to get information they looking for? very common and often it s someone against whom the fbi has evidence and that person agrees to work with the fbi in return for more lenient treatment. so we don t know the name of this person or what the fbi may have on him or why he did what he did. all this is going to come out. bill: thank you, judge. as i say, good to see you. good to see you. bill: shannon. shannon: we know private colleges are highly profitable. now a new study shows despite having tons of cash they still get plenty of taxpayer money. bill: and democrats not backing down promising to keep supreme court nominee neil gorsuch off the high court. does he make the bench? we ll talk to chuck grassley. he s our guest live. i repeat, we re going to get judge gorsuch confirmed. there ll be an opportunity for the democrats to invoke and i m confident he ll be confirmed. right information at the right moment. and when you filter out the noise, it s easy to turn your vision into action. it s your trade. e trade. start trading today at etrade.com it s a shocking study. a new study found over a six-year period ivy league colleges brought in more money from your taxpayer dollars than from all payments of tuition from undergraduate students that s despite the fact they have more than $119 billion in endowment money. it s part of a 43-page report first seen from fox news and released by open the books and spoke to the founder. it is a market for government contract at the ivy league with nearly $26 billion of federal contracts and grants. it dwarves the number of tuition of $22 billion collected over the course of the last six years. now, open the book studied all ivy league schools to understand their sources of funding between 2010 and 2015 some makes sense like the study of aids, others not as the study of drinking and taken together it s more than the federal government gave to 16 state governments. the spending is controversial because the schools have enormous resources at their finger tips. $119 billion in endowment dollars raised from donors and the total is equivalent to $2 million per undergraduate student. were they to continue to receive contributions at present rates they could provide free tuition to their entire student body forever. to be sure endowments on the for spending in a single year and no one expects ivies to give them a free ride forever but heavy sponsorship calls into question the use of taxpayer dollars and with parent across the country facing annual tuition of $33,000 at private colleges and more than $9,000 for state schools, well, they must be wondering, why do these wealthy institutions need my taxpayer dollars? and shannon, we reached out to all the schools for comment this morning and still waiting to hear back. shannon: let us know. that is fascinating. thank you so much. thank you. bill: i always liked midnight blue from the 24 pack but that didn t make the cut. shannon: you want it to go or save it? bill: save it. i think it s shave. shannon: what s the 64 with the sharp enner on the end. bill: i liked it. are republicans getting ready for a do-over on health care reform? the talk on capitol hill for the second chance to undo you obamacare and what the president said about that last night. shannon: we re getting word of some activity on capitol hill on the house side. there are all kinds of conflicting accounts of what s happening. we re hearing of armored vehicles and alerts telling congressional staff to avoid the area. mike emanuel is on the hill. let s see what he can find out. hi, mike. good morning. we re outside the rayburn house office building and you see police activity. our understanding is a suspect in a vehicle hit a police cruiser and may have hit several other pedestrians in the immediate area. out of abundance of caution they shut down the area behind me and investigating. we understand the suspect has been apphended but we don t have a lot of other detail. the situation as the business day is starting on capitol hill there s a lot of going on and so they are shutting it down to make sure there s no other danger at this point but our understanding is a suspect has been taken no custody after hit police cruiser and perhaps sitting several pedestrians at a busy time in capitol hill with the workday just getting underway. shannon: and in that area there s vehicle traffic and pedestrians as people flood too the buildings and there s barriers and screenings. the police presence in that area is always 24 hours a day exceptionally heavy. you re spot on with that. there s a lot of screening areas across the immediate vicinity and we have a ton of spring breakers in town and interest groups in town coming to talk to lawmakers. you have people talk to their representatives on capitol hill. there s tons of traffic, foot traffic. there are lawmakers coming into work today. there are staffers coming to capitol hill. so it s a really busy time. if somebody was looking to do some damage on capitol hill there were a lot of people walk around at the time. they shut down the immediate area and there s a ton of police activity trying to get to the bottom of it. shannon: that s a main thoroughfare for folks travelling through there to have the roads closed down will have a significant impact on the morning. as well as you mentioned it s spring break and there s the cherry plos blossom in d.c. bill: that s the vehicle in question and the pictures left of the windshield could likely be where bullets struck. we want to get to our capitol hill producer chad wergrum. let s go to chad for what he s learning. what do you see? there s an effort by u.s. capitol police to make a traffic stop near the library of congress and the vehicle took off down independence avenue past the rayburn building and past the botanical garden. the vehicle did not stop i am told and we have barricades they erected after 9/11 to keep vehicles from coming in and when you get an incident like this like in 2013 they raised the barriers to keep the vehicle inside the perimeter. they raised the barrier at the foot of independence avenue as the vehicle was going west. at that point the driver still did not comply with orders. this is near first and washington by the rayburn building and tried to evade officers. i m told by official as they hit civilian cars including capitol police vehicles and because the suspect in question did not continue to comply that s when u.s. capitol police officers discharged their weapons. i m told though this happened near the rayburn building they have not put the building on lockdown or anything but they did ap rehelped apprehend the suspect. we ve had random crime and car chase have moved to the capitol hill perimeter. the capitol police have their own police department for the buildings and several blocks out. we had an incident during the state of the union that was a car chase that wound up within a block of where this incident is and has nothing to do with disrupting the government and it was just a car chase that went into washington, d.c. five or six years ago there was a traffic stop that went bad through union station and went down louisiana avenue down the wrong direction on the senate side of the capitol before they drew a weapon on officers and they shot and killed him. you have to remember what happens with u.s. capitol police. they never know if it s somebody just trying to get away from police your garden variety police but whether it s a diversionary tactic or someone wanting to do harm. we have no idea if it s in that realm. what we do know is they were trying to stop the car near the library of congress for whatever reason, traffic stop, could be a wanted tag, what have you and the driver alluded them. they went down capitol hill and they fired their weapons. to be clear, they did not hit anybody. they apprehended the suspect without hitting him. bill: chad, thank you for that. he s near the scene. we ll let you get more information. we re getting wires in and based on the reporting police responded when the vehicle did not stop and between the map you can run a couple blocks between the library of congress and the rayburn building. the a.p. is suggesting it was a woman behind the wheel and several gunshots were heard. mike emanuel can you hear me and where are you? i m outside the cordoned off area where the suspect vehicle is at this point. we re hearing the driver of the car hit a police cruiser and may have hit several pedestrians including perhaps some capitol police officers and we re hearing shots were fired when officers saw the vehicle was not stopping and behaving in an erratic way and i m standing here beyond the cordoned off area where we expect police to give us an update in a matter of moments but they re shooing us from the area. i m near washington and independence avenue for those familiar with the area. a very busy area near capitol hill outside the house office buildings. this one being rayburn. whatever the driver s intentions were was stopped before getting into a more sensitive area but clearly capitol police do not mess around when someone acts in an aggressive way. bill: the driver been taken away? let me take a look. i m looking for signs of an ambulance. i see police vehicles. i do not see an ambulance in the immediate area but behind a bush or tree there may be one. lots of emergency vehicles in the immediate area. lots of police tape up and they re trying to get to the bottom of it. bill: you were inside the capitol building. assume you did not hear shots while inside, correct? did not hear anything. in fact we talked to chairman devin nunes about the russia probe and were going to head over to look for the top democrat on the panel, adam schiff and got alerts there was something going on and raced out to the area outside the rayburn building and we did not hear shots but it appears shots may have been fired. the latest is the suspect was not hurt but has been taken from the immediate area, bill. bill: thank you. get more information and we ll come back to you. back to chad pergram. where have you moved in the past couple minutes? i was on capitol hill and out to the degree i can. you can imagine it s locked up on capitol hill. they did not lock don the capitol nor the rayburn house building so my vantage point is limited. i don t have a good eye shot on what s going on at the bottom of the hill there. again, what we re trying to figure out is who may have been hurt here if there were vehicles or people in vehicles. as mike said this is a busy area. it s a wednesday in congress it s usually the busiest day on capitol hill. you have people funneling out of taxi cabs and ubers to meet with members. if you had something go awry you could have had other people injured with stray bullets or vehicles. sometimes independence avenue is bad with traffic at 9:30 on a wednesday. bill: you believe it s a traffic stop gone bad. tat that s what it seems to be. have you general traffic stops in and around capitol hill. they re not terrorism incidents. it s always the battle on capitol hill with what they should do with u.s. capitol police. there was an earful they got that ended up a block near health and human services because they didn t know if it was a diversionary tactic. it was a car chase which started in maryland in a suburban county that came all the way to capitol hill and ended up at the foot of capitol hill when the state of the union was going on. just somebody with a warrant. the question is should they have diverted resources for a high-speed chase versus protecting those on the capitol. they re devoted to protecting the house office buildings and the street patrol division and they routinely c traffic stops. bill: chad pergram on capitol hill and shannon bream is observing from there as well. shannon. shannon: bill, this is a few blocks from where we are on the other side of capitol hill. we have chris stirewalt with me and we ll talk about things eventually but some context first. what happened on the house side it s the heart you have the capitol and a block from the library of congress and supreme court. we know they don t play around here because when we drive in on this road every morning and those barriers chad talked about there s a constant presence of heavily armed officers 24/7 over here. for people who don t hang out in washington in real america it s like airport level security. people with long guns and people in bullet-proof vests. you know you re in a secure place and pity the poor criminal who accidentally happens into the bear s den and does something that triggers the warnings. as we saw in london last week when you re talking about this is sorry, world, the most important legislative body in the world what is done here or often not done here is more consequential than any place else and know it s a prime target. it s the missed target on 9/11. for the capitol police if you re having a barred bad morning and don t comply airbags deploy. shannon: they re standing on the street corners. we have one by fox where they re directing you and there s cones up to make sure your car doesn t go near the capitol and the barriers it sounds like they deployed them and they good up and you ll hit a wall. and then instead of trying to keep you out they ll keep you in and answer their questions. it s a rough wednesday. shannon: to give people context too, if you head out past the capitol you ll hit maryland. eventually in pennsylvania too. shannon: for things we said and chad mentioned the earlier criminal cases that had nothing to do with terrorism people trafficking through the area ten years ago the capitol was in a bad neighborhood and now it s in a nice neighborhood and it s been cleaned up but the bad neighborhood is still walking distance from here. shannon: and driving distance. bill, back to you in new york city. bill: one of the things you think about with the incident in london from just a week ago is could it happen here and certainly it can. that s one of the things you immediately start to think and consider but there s no evidence to suggest that s the case so far in capitol hill. back it our folks in washington in a moment. also in a moment here, there is a warning for republicans as a showdown looms over judge neil gorsuch. democrats lining up against him. they promised a fight. senator chuck grassley chairs the senate judiciary committee and we ll talk about that live next on america s newsroom. bill: back to washington. the reports are the driver are said to be a woman and the person has been taken to custody and shots were possibly fired. we want to get back to chad pergram to clear up things as we continue to get more information. what do you have? the most we can tell are things on capitol hill, sessions and hearings are continuing as normal and this was some sort of a traffic stop that went awry. we don t have any indication yet as to why they were trying to stop the vehicle whether or not it was erratic driving or a warrant but we have confirmed it was a female suspect and when they refused to comply with the order they chased them down capitol hill down independence avenue and past the rayburn building and one officer discharged their weapon. we don t know what led to that. we had an incident where a suspect was killed several years ago after a short high-speed chase down the wrong way down louisiana avenue where the suspect drew a weapon and they shot and killed that suspect. but if you are behaving pretty badly on capitol hill and you demonstrate in your behavior where you come into the building and say you have something on you or your driving and you re not stopping they re going to take this pretty seriously if you get up around the environs of capital and that s what happened in 2013. she drove to the white house and an officer and drove to capitol hill and there was a chase around the capitol and how do you think they ll respond when you go to the two main points of american government the white house and capitol but this incident seems to be limited just to capitol hill and seems to be emanating from a traffic stop. we need to know the purpose of the traffic stop and why a member discharged their service call. bill: our capitol hill producer on scene. ambulances were sent to the scene but apparently didn t take anyone to the hospital and back to mike emanuel nearby as well. what do you have? though the area is cordoned off near the u.s. botanical gardens business is going on as usual. you see tourists milling around and staffers. it s like a normal day on capitol hill except the one area behind me is cordoned off and creating quite a traffic mess in the immediate area but life is going on as normal with people wearing their various activists t-shirts heading into the complex to see their representatives and senators and make their voices heard on capitol hill. we have police investigating behind me and police tape up next to me. it s create traffic mess but life seems to be returning to normal in terms of the normal comings and goings in terms of visiting the nation s capital. bill: it was interesting to hear chad describe in what amounts to a zero tolerance policy in terms of capitol hill police is that your view as well? no question, bill. the united states capitol building over my right shoulder is a gigantic symbol of america. they do not mess around thinking obviously there may be some terrorist and others out there that may want to do harm to this symbol of america s greatness and they do not mess around at all when you get anywhere close to the capitol complex and you ve been down for inaugurations and such and there s tight security but any signs of threatening or hostile behavior the professionals here on the ground do not mess around. bill: just to give our viewers a sense of the geography based on what we understand, mike, the vehicle stoppage occurred around the library of congress. but the come driving got all the way to botanical gardens. that s several blocks. i m going to guess half a while. perhaps more. what is your guess? at least several blocks. to give you a sense of the geography to my left over here is the rayburn house office building. as you come back this direction you get towards where the car is stopped and between the rayburn house office building and the united states capitol building is where you find the cordoned off area with lots of police vehicle and the suspect vehicle in the middle of it. a sensitive area between the house office building where many house members have their offices and staffs and then the united states capitol across the street. they did not mess around in terms of stopping the vehicle in its tracks and arresting the suspect. bill: chad, you re suggesting in parts of washington life just keeps moving forward. it s not just parts of washington but inside the capitol. it s usually a good sign they don t view an imminent threat, something on the terrorism matrix if they don t lock down the house and senate office buildings. you get to the botanical garden and you re a little bit away. you re in the shadow of the capitol to be sure but the complex is a big place. here at the botanical gard jon much garden and in the furthest senate office building as the crow flies is about three-quarters of a mile but if they perceive there was a broader threat and something was truly related to terrorism they d like this place down tighter than a drum. they have not done that. the fact there s access points closed, there s a traffic jam obviously because it closed off the roadway there. it takes a while to reconstruct the crime scene and determine what happened but hearings are going on in the capitol. members are meeting with constituents and boy scout and girl scout troops. those types of usual wednesday activities are going on as planned. bill: very good to have you with us again today. our capitol hill producer chad pergram who fires off about 1200 e-mails to our staff about every day. good work there and to our colleague mike emanuel on scene where you see the police tape wrapped around the vehicle. our understanding, a woman was behind the vehicle. shots were fired. we don t know if any shots hit the woman driving that vehicle. she apparently has been taken to the hospital and she appears to be ok based on the early reporting we have received so far. wow. that is happening on the capitol and back to shannon there as well. shannon: we ll keep an eye on that situation as we get more facts and business on capitol hill is continuing on and chuck grassley is busy chairing the senate judiciary committee and joins us live. as this is unfolding you have work going on including the looming battle over supreme court nominee neil gorsuch. senate minority leaders saying they can t vote for him. the minority leader s words were he didn t acquit himself well or impress our caucus. your response? i think anybody who watched the 22 hours he answered questions over a period of two days for the committee knows he s well qualified. he didn t make any mistakes. when they say he didn t answer questions he adopted what we call the ginsburg standard where she said in 93 you can t say anything about any case that may come up before you in the future. don t know what those are so give your general approach to the law and kagan and sotomayor followed the same ginsburg principle. nobody can find any fault with this well qualified judge to be a justice on the supreme court and think he ll be approved at least a week from friday or a week from saturday and he ll be on the supreme court. shannon: so chairman, do you think if that takes a changing of the rules the nuclear option they ll be willing to change that in the senate that good. let me ask this way and if you don t like it ask again. we ll see justice gorsuch will be on the supreme court one way or another. shannon: we know the committee vote is monday. we ll watch that and the proceedings after that. chairman, i hate to cut you short we have to get back to the situation on capitol hill. thank you for your time. see you next week. bill: shannon, we may get a press conference on behalf of capitol hill police and as we await let s get back to mike emanuel. what more do you have? we see the vehicle with plights lights on and what else have you learned about the woman behind the wheel? mike, have you still with me? we ll pause on that. no problem. we ll get the contact established in a moment. i also see another monitor where the spokeswoman appears from capitol hill will brief reporters in a moment. i ll try to get the audio in a moment and we ll bring it to you as soon as they re ready. if you want to feed that in my ear i d love to hear it. an erratic and aggressive driver in the vicinity of 100 independence avenue southwest. while attempting to stop the vehicle on independence vehicle the driver nearly struck officers and one other vehicle and a brief pursuit followed on independence avenue southwest. during the attempt to arrest the suspect shots were fired however, no individuals were injured. the investigation is being done by the capitol hill police. the investigation is in the preliminary stages and more detail released as warrant. though preliminary the incident seems to be criminal in nature with no connection to terrorism. reporter: any sense of motive? did the suspect suggest they were trying to get in the capitol? there s no nexus for terrorism. it was just a traffic stop. reporter: how many shots were fired and where can the shots land? we won t those details. thank you. reporter: a man or woman? it is a woman. reporter: a female? age? bill: more information from the capitol hill police and criminal in nature. no connection to terrorism and described as merely a traffic stop. shortly before 10:00 am eastern time on capitol hill near the library of congress police say a driver struck a u.s. capitol police cruiser near the capitol and later taken to custody but not before the driver of the vehicle went several blocks from the library of congress and the west side and ambulance was sent in and went to the scene and did not take anyone to the hospital and possible but not confirmed shots were fired. the female driver was ordered to stop and she is now in custody. back to chad pergram with us again. what more can you add after that, criminal in nature. no nexus to terrorism. it s not something broader but why u.s. capitol police are on the job and why they work with other law enforcement agencies are because you never know what you re dealing with. that s the trick on capitol hill. if you re going to drive and behave erratically near the white house this will happen and we re told they started to notice this vehicle driving erratically and the u.s. capitol m mes-police viewed it as erratic behavior maybe somebody intoxicated or not with it, what have you and observed the behavior with the vehicle at the bottom of capitol hill essentially going east up capitol hill going east on the house side near the botanical garden and rayburn house building and followed the car to where you get where the cannon building is and library of congress. at that point that s where the driver did a u-turn and they re like ok this person is trying to escape us and they have barriers they can block off the capitol and trap the vehicle in there which is what they were doing. apparently as they spursued the vehicle she was driving in the wrong lane down the hill and that s a major hazard and got to where the barriers are and tried to get her out of the vehicle. she was not complying with their orders when she was at the barricade and i am told she quote, revved the engine, where they thought she d try to take off or ram the barricade and she lurched forward and that may have been where the shots were fired. i m told at least one officer fired a shot. we don t have any pedestrians injured in all this. we have at least one u.s. capitol police vehicle and one civilian vehicle hit but nobody injured in a major way. again it comes back to you don t know what you re dealing with. you have someone who s acting erratically. you don t know if they have ill intent or terrorism and after what happened in london outside parliament there we had a number of these incidents over the years on capitol hill where i talked about miriam carey who drove to the capitol and you go to the two seats of american government what do you think will happen. the fellow last march who tried to draw on officers and they didn t know it was a fake weapon and if you have that behavior what do you think will happen. bill: there s zero tolerance level by capitol hill police is important to emphasize. it s amazing what you see. i go through the capitol report every week and i ve not seen it this week and you have these incidents where they pull a driver over for dui or a staffer tries to bring a firearm in. they have a permit or open carry and it s a problem in the direct of columbia and on capitol hill and sometimes random people go through security and they have weed or marijuana on them and get busted for that. there is kind of a zero tolerance policy. there s a bigger issue with something that might lead to terrorism than somebody with marijuana with them but they re pretty strict up here. bill: thank you, chad. back to shannon also on capitol hill. shannon: we ll check in with mike emanuel tracking news if he news feature. we don t think there s ongoing continuing threat as chad said and you reported the center is open and thousands of people are through the visitor center every day and it sounds like business as usual. is that what you re seeing? no question. and i saw two people walk through the shot. i m looking closer at them and they have metropolitan police markings on their jackets and explains why they re walking through the scene. what lowered a lot of blood pressure around here is hearing the spokesperson saying no nexus to terrorism. in the world we live in post 9/11 that s the number one concern. somebody coming to the area to do harm to our system of government and lawmakers and innocent americans working here. hearing it s a traffic stop you can still see the barricade that says stop that s up on the scene in front of where the gray car is stopped. basically it looks like a normal police investigation. there s evidence markings on the ground and the barricades are still up and the police cruisers are still on scene and looking at the situation but temperatures are down quite a bit and looks like a normal day otherwise with people coming and going into the rayburn office building and coming and going like nothing ever happened. i m sure if you re still trying to get somewhere in the immediate area traffic is a mess but it s washington, d.c. on a wednesday so that s not unusual but it looks like things have calmed down quite a bit since they think it s an isolated incident and traffic stop gone bad. shannon: covering the hill there s alerts go out where as the closed for hours over something that turns out to be nothing and so this is a positive sign. it s calmed down quite a bit since the time we ve been out here. it looks like they re picking up some of the evidence markers or placing them. they re going about the normal police work and figure out what went down and get details for possible prosecution and i m sure we ll get a sense what was going on with this woman and why the traffic stop went so bad. shannon: thank you for your updates. again, if this is just a traffic stop this is the worst possible place this woman could have decide to go rogue on getting pulled over. not where you want to do it. bill: it appears to be resolved. if there are more developments we ll take our viewers back there to capitol hill. in a moment we ll hear what the president had to say on what happens on health care 2.0. would you describe it as easy? his comment next. bipartisan. people showed up i wasn t expecting which is a very good thing. a very, very good thing and i know we ll make a deal on health care. bill: president trump sounding confident he can deliver on one of his biggest promises at one point saying it s easy. marc thiessen, good morning. welcome back. i know we ll all make a deal on health care. it s an easy one. maybe there s some sarcasm thrown in that comment. characterize it. does it happen or not? no. nothing s going to be easy with the situation on capitol hill but this especially will not be easy. trump s premise is he ll let obamacare collapse and it will quet get so bad the democrats will beg for a change. premiums are skyrocketing, absolutely fact but the problem is 83% of the people on obamacare get subsidies and under the law they increase dollar per dollar they increase and all of us would subsidize it will get screwed and second of all insurers are pulling out. that s a fact. there will be some states in the next year or so that don t have insurance in the exchanges and the commercial insurers pull out and medicaid hmos which provide bad coverage are coming in and obamacare will limp along. it will be worse care at a higher cost which is the opposite of what president obama promised so democrats have no incentive to come to trump and say let s work out a deal because they re fine with the taxpayers make more to subsidize people who need them for higher premiums. bill: last hour we talked to trey gowdy and john mccain and i asked what the priority should be and they said health care. what about the republican situation on this? look at the senate. we re about to the democrats are not interested in working with republicans on anything right now. they re filibustering neil gorsuch probably the most qualified person in near history for supreme court so the republicans will have to pull the nuclear opening to get him on the court. in the wake of that fallout does anyone think they ll come together and sing and have a bipartisan health care bill? i don t think that s going to happen and by april 28 if we don t get the votes for the budget the government shuts down. there s a big mess on capitol hill and nobody is talking about coming together and holding hands and doing bipartisan health care reform now. it s not going to happen. bill: it was talked about with great enthusiasm in the republican meeting and it s been described we ll see where that goes. i ll mark you down for a maybe. always optimistic. bill: marc thiessen thank you so much. shannon: a busy morning in washington as there are growing calls for house intelligence committee chair devin nunes to step down or with regard to the investigation involving the trump transition, russia surveillance, all those things. mike emanuel tracked down congressman nunes a short time ago and here s what he said. as far as i know they ve done little to look through the documents the intelligence committee provided. at the end of the day we ll get through the truth and find out who s doing a real investigation and you ll find out we are very much doing an investigation and have been for a long time. are you worried about being able to work with mr. schiff? we re always concerned about this and always want to keep the committee bipartisan but at the end of the day we ll do an investigation with or without them and if they want to participate that s fine but the facts of the matter are pretty clear that they have no we don t even know who the witnesses are they want to call. so i d encourage you guys to start to follow them around and find out who they want to bring in and interview. shannon: congressman schiff the ranking democrat on the committee calling for nunes it step away. we re joined by our panel kristen soltis anderson and jessica tarlov. you have congressman schiff the ranking democrat who made statements of his own people feel haven t been backed up by evidence at least not publicly saying there s been collusion and it s now beyond circumstantial evidence. if people are going to be critical of nunes for saying what he s saying waiting on the documents is there the same standard with congressman schiff. if you re going to make a bold claim and talk collusion between russia and the trump campaign or anybody else for that matter you better have the evidence to back that up and be willing to show it to the american people. there s so many falsehoods. a new poll shows 74% of republicans believe trump s wiretap claim which has been de bunked by democrats and we have to make sure about the messaging and make sure the american people know what happened. i m all for showing the evidence but concerned about devin nunes. we don t know why he was in the white house and no one knew he was coming and where d he get the information and the unmasking of names and we don t know who the names are and there s a lot to be concerned about but it s not just a par partisan issue. some republicans want nunes to step down. shannon: lots to unpack. chairman nunes has said if you re talking about the specific language of wiretapping he says no evidence of that but he said there s something he found concerning saying all americans should be concerned about incidental collection or surveillance that involved the trump team after the election. he felt it was substantive and significant enough to talk to the white house about it. he said we on nsa documents to prove his point. there s a lot we don t know. and some things we do and you had national security adviser michael flynn sep count from the role because of a conversation with a russian official recorded by u.s. intelligence officials. his name was unmasked and leaked to the public. this is the sort of thing now the committee is investigating. in addition to investigating whether the trump campaign was doing anything wrong. you now have so many targets being investigated for so many things it can muddy the water. as jessica mentioned you have 74% of republicans who believe the trump campaign was wiretapped. the idea there was an fbi person tapping the wires at trump tower has been debunked is being looked at and appearances matter a lot in politics and that s the challenge they ll have to address. shannon: jessica is this leading to a point where if the democrats can prove a link between the trump campaign and russia it undermines his presidency. is the the ultimate goal? i m not sure. i think democrats are split on this. i have personally talked to a lot of friends about what happens next. say there is proof of collusion between russia and the trump campaign will there be an election? formerly i guess mike pence would take over but that doesn t make sense in this circumstance because the idea would be hillary clinton would be the rightful winner in the election. shannon: we re not talking about changing votes especially not with the constitution in place. absolutely not. that s not in question but whether propaganda that came from russia and influencing from other channels influenced the outcome and democrats need to get clear what it is they re advocating for and what the end result might be. shannon: jessica and kristen. i m sorry. we have to cut it short. there s a lot going on capitol hill. we ll check back on the activity on capitol hill. bill. bill: thank you, shannon. we were talking to our producer on the hill, chad pergram and mike emanuel. the driver apparently revved the engine and that was considered a threat on behalf of capitol hill police and at least one bullet was fired and prior to that the woman did a u-turn and went down the hill and retraced her original steps before the capitol hill police threw up the barricade near the house rayburn engine and the driver stopped and revved the engine and lurched forward and one shot was fired and the driver was not hit and the woman is on the screen on the right is the suspect. she s apparently been removed from the scene. there s no nexus to terrorism so far up this incident. that from capitol hill police reporting a short time ago. they describe it as a traffic stop. more to come. in a moment, facing a crisis in america. how to stop the abuse of prescription drugs. the white house is about to take action. that s next. our heart healthy idaho potatoes, america s favorite potatoes, and donating to local charities along the way. but now it s finally back home where it belongs. aw man. hey, wait up. where you goin ? here we go again. and the butchery begins. what am i gonna wear? this party is super fancy. let s go. i m ready. are you my uber? 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[ doorbell rings ] par-tay! xfinity watchathon week starts april 3. get unlimited access to all of netflix and more, free with xfinity on demand. guest writes in the wall street journal about the problem area in the doctor s office. dr. marc siegel part of the fox news medical team. broad question, how did we get here? well, one way we know which is we have leaky borders and lots of illegal drugs are coming across but four of five people on heroin started in the doctor s office who needs codeine for pain and they feel good and i still haven t involved the problem. where d the back pain come from. could i use heat, physical therapy or acupuncture. in new jersey governor christie has started to crackdown on some of us. 31 doctors under investigation. bill: you write four of five heroin abusers started with prescriptions and doctors pain training is minimal. we don t have enough training on back and farm it out to pain specialists who also over prescribe opioids and governor christie says it s a disease. i say it s worse. opioi opioids grab the soul. president trump talks about the look in someone s eyes who are addicted. addicts can t break it. it comes back. even if you put a person in the treatment program. it comes back. now the treatment programs if they have counseling and 12-step programs are successful part of the time but we need more people that are trained and need doctors to not cause this problem in the first place. bill: you re working hard and fast and trying to see as many as patients on a daily basis and many working at the same speed and sometimes you take a shortcut to move in the next patient. does that suggest training as you described minimal? that s the number one problem you re talking about now. i call it the by the way prescription. you re on the way to the next patient and they re on the way out the door. doc, by the way can i have the percocet. bill: thank you. back to shannon, now. shannon: the white house is taking an active role in efforts to revive a deal on health care. the president says it s easy. newt gingrich will be here live . r great rides.
welcome to watters world. i m jesse watters. how fake news is getting trumped. you hear that? that silence is the sounds of the trump-russia collusion scandal dying. a few weeks ago if you turned on your television, all heard was this. collusion between trump associates and russians during the election. members of conservative s presidential campaign had repeated contact with russian intelligence officials. jesse: but this is all a diversion. if anybody was getting played bid russians, it was the obama administration. it started with this pathetic stunts. we want to reset our relationship. we ll do it together. okay? jesse: hillary tried to reset relations with a button and she misspelled the word reset. her state department gave russia access to 20% of american uranium production capacity related to a shady clinton foundation if donor. and imaginew if trump was caught saying that. when mitt romney labeled russia as america s biggest geopolitical foe, barack obama mocked him. the cold war has been over for 20 years. jesse: wit when putin invade ukraine, obama respond by sending food, not weapons. hundreds of billions of dollars were sent to iran. that deal was so iran wouldn t nuke up. and president obama cut a deal with cyrideal with syria. he used chemical weapons on his own people. president obama got played again. if syria lied about their chemical weapons? isn t it likely iran lied about their nuclear program? likely. the left began smearing trump as a putin puppet because they couldn t accept defeat. we herd the words special prosecutor, and even impeachment. president trump launched missiles into syria on russia s doorstep. president trump characterized the relationship this way. white now year not getting along with russia at all. we may be at an all-time low in terms of a relationship with russia. he had this to say about bashar al-assad. putin is backing a person that s truly an evil person. this is an animal. jesse: secretary of state rex tillerson and red the former red the riot act. putin refused to be seen with him in public. the russians have scrambled ships off the coast of syria. i have never been as worried as i am today about the possibility of war with russia. jesse: so with the fution-trump smear campaign up in smokes, look what democrats are reduced to. help me connect the trump-russia dots. submit your tips and we ll follow the evidence and post online. so democrats are setting up an internet tip hotline. congress has subpoena power and the fisa court and they are asking joe smith from arkansas if he has any tips. obviously they have nothing. almost as if they didn t think anyone would notice, the media dwropped the russia battle and launched a new attack. from the a flurry of flip-flops. here is the problem with nato, it s obsolete. it s no longer obsolete. from the a different tone from a country he previously called an enemy. a change from the on chain today as a punching bag. we can t allow china to rape our country and that s what they are doing. passenger dragged off the united flight. and watters world takes on the swamp. can affect how your mouth feels and how you feel. discover act dry mouth, specially formulated to soothe and moisturize your mouth. and try new act dry mouth spray for relief when you need it. and try new act dry mouth spray stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time. stay with me, mr. parker. .saving time when it matters most. stay with me, mrs. parker. that s the power of and. y282uy ywty isis is make a tremendous amount of money because they have certain areas of oil they took way. some in syria and some in iraq. i would bomb the [bleep] out of them. jesse: donald trump fulfilling his campaign promise to bomb the [bleep] out of isis thursday. the air force dropped the mother of all bombs and at least 36 terrorists were killed. the moab is the largest non-nuclear weapon in existence. it was built in 2003 and was never before used in combat until a few days ago. joining me is dr. sebastian gorka. i want to read two treats from a soldier? in afghanistan. he says i lost my legs because the government failed to use the tools we had. after losing a green were receipt, potus sent a new message towards the cowards who killed him. dr. gorka, this weapon was available for the last 10 years. why is it just being used now? because finally we have leadership and president, commander-in-chief, president trump who understands diplomacy without force to back it up is nothing. we have had a spineless administration for 8 years under president trump. i can tell you one thing, jesse. i met donald trump in 2015 and within five minute i knew something about this man. he is a patriot. he loves his country, and most all he loves our men and women in uniform. this is why he took the action he took to send a clear message not just to the taliban or isis but to everybody out there to thinks that the last 8 years is america. it s not. jesse: way hear is the previous administration is so concerned, they didn t give the commanders in the field license to use this type of weapon, and from what i know now, they take so many precautions to make sure civilian casualties don t occur, they fly multiple drones out over the targets and unleash this thing. tell me about the psychological impact this has on isis and and, and all over the world. you are absolutely right. from day one in the white house, a tier 1 operator told me the morale is incomparable. everyone knows the soldiers and marines, they are allowed to do their job now. we unleashed the military. what you talked about the last 8 years. we have declassified open source reports of people in theater, pilots who aren t allowed to even gang terrorists, isis on the ground unless somebody back in d.c. or a command center sees on the same video feed that the bad guys are down there. that s an 8,000 mile screwdriver. we didn t even do that during vietnam. you asked the delight question. what we did in the last 7-10 days, it s not about syria. it s not just about afghanistan. it s about sending a message to anybody out there who doesn t take america seriously and think they can threaten us or our allies or our partners. that s why the president is the master of the deal. jesse: i think isis got a message pretty clearly. if you are going to die, you don t want to die like that with your lungs pouring out of your skull. i think they will have recruitment problems after that. we have seen the tomahawks fly into syria. you see this moab over in afghanistan. describe in a few words your interpretation of president trump s grand defense strategy. very simply there is two members of the cabinet who come from the same marine corps division. that division has a motto and formal one. the motto is no better friend, no worse enemy. the idea that we are going to lead from behind which an oxymoron. the idea that our strategy will be strategic patience means doing nothing. we are saying to the world, american values, american safety, and we are going to protect and help our allies, but this isn t the bush administration. this isn t about invasion and occupation. that has not changed. it s important for your viewers to understand. donald trump on november 7 is president donald trump today. this is not a neocon administration or interventionist one. it s an american one that will stand up to evil around the world. jesse: some people on the left are very upset at the term tomahawk missile. the mother of all bombs they thought was sexist. funny how these people think. and i don t understand it. but dr. gorka thank you very much for appearing on watters world. take a look at the comedian who is emceeing the white house correspondent s dish. donald trump is white isis. wisis. draining the swamp watters world style. i want to be real. just be real. where are all the moderate white conservatives? i mean, come on. they have a responsibility to step up and speak out. every conservative isn t the same, i know. but it s easier on my brain to be irrationally afraid of an entire group of people. jesse: president trump won t thereby, but hundreds of liberal journalists will be. joining me now is the past president of the white house association, you were even the president at one time of the association. what goes into book someone like this. this guy kind of seems like a hater. i can t tell if he s kidding or not. ed: i ended up getting conan o brien. he was a big name and was on a comeback. in private conversations i had with him, i thought he was somebody who was excited to get the big stage again and i thought he did a great job. jesse: you pre-interviewed conan to see if he was okay to do the gig. ed: you don t want to censor. but it was clear conan understood there is a balance there. you are going to take some shots at the president. but this year s pick, there won t be balance. it will be 100% bash trump. he s not there to defend himself, but that s his own decision. you will be in store for a night that s non-top hitting the president. jesse: it will be a lame dinner if the president is not there. but you will be there so i guess you will make up for it. ed: i look forward to seeing you. jesse: i won t be there. i m not sure if i m allowed back. sean spicer got into a little trouble and had to clean it up. we didn t use chemical weapons in world war ii. you had someone as despicable as hitler who didn t even sink to using chemical weapons. he brought them into the holocaust center. i understand that. but in the way assad used them and dropped them into the middle of town. jesse: the press secretary apologized and clarified. you used to sit in the chairs where you lobbed questions at the press secretary. what is it like being in the room when you can feel a gaffe unfolding in real-time? ed: i remember being in the room when president obama said what are you going to do about isis. and the president said we don t have a strategy to deal with isis yet. in real-time, did he really just say that? that was on the democratic side. now the republican side. the first clip you played, it was shocking enough that sean spicer was trying to say hitler didn t do these things. but then to talk about holocaust centers like they are rest stops on the jersey turnpike. i think they were concentration camps, not holocaust centers. sean spicer admitted quickly he maid he made a horrible mistake. you will see some piling on and piling on, even though apologized. jesse: it s a feeding frenzy. i want to show you a clip of chris matthews saying the exact same thing. roll this. don t use chemical weapons. we didn t use them in world war ii. hitler didn t use them. we don t use chemical weapons. it s no deal. jesse: there wasn t the same outrage when matthews said that as spicer. i started reading the book on the flight, your jackie robinson book, i recommend it to everybody. it s a great read. there it is. ed: you said i could barely read, you didn t know i would write. but now that you said you love the book, i m okay again. jesse: later in the show, watters world talking politics in the swamp. up next, new information that may change your mind about the united airlines scandal. watters world investigates an debates. luckily there s powerful, 24-hour, non-drowsy claritin. it provides relief of symptoms that can be triggered by over 200 different allergens. live claritin clear. we can t stay here! why? 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[ ] jesse: we have all seen this viral video showing dr. david dao dragged off a united airlines flight. there are many questions surrounding what led up to this infamous event. the flight was scheduled to take off from chicago at 5:40 p.m. during the boarding process passengers were told the flight wasover booked and they were looking for passengers to give their seat for a $400 voucher and an overnight stay in a hotel. then they were told four passengers had to get off. they upped the offer to $800 and an overnight stay. the supervisor says four people would be randomly selected to leave. it s done by computer. one couple and a woman were chosen and left. then dr. dao was selected and according to witnesses became quote very upset. two security officers from the chicago department aviation were brought in to assist. i am not going. i am not going. i don t go. i don t go. jess report officers yanked dao out of his seat hitting his head on an armrest. they then drug his limp body count aisle. he then returned to the plane and ran to the rear, his face very bloody. a medical crew attended to dao and the plane was cleaned before taking off. monday evening. united ceo sent a letter to employees saying they followed followed procedures, even calling dao disruptive and belligerent. there was a lot of backlash on social media and the company stock limited $1.4 billion. then munoz is change his tune. do you think he s at fall in any way? no. he can t be. he was a paying passenger sitting on our seat in our aircraft. and no one should be treated that way, period. jesse: thursday we heard from david dao s side. united airlines in this case is responsible. what happened to my dad shouldn t happen to any human being regardless of the circumstance. jesse: ? 2004 the doctor was convicted of obtaining drugs by fraud or deceit. he was trading prescription pain killers for sex. he was sentenced to five years probation and lost his medical license. however he got it back in 2016. joining me to tackle all of this is commercial airline pilot. and arthur wok. if this guy doesn t leave and you are saying get out of here, you have got to go, what do you supposed to do if he s not going to cash in on some of these vouchers? you nighted airlines had no right to remove him from the airplane. there is a contract of carriage that most people don t know about it s 50 pages long. in that contract of carriage united had no justification to remove him. he was a lawful passenger who paid for his ticket. he was seated. the flight was not oversold. e was not denied boarding. he was board. he purchased a ticket from chicago to louisville, not from chicago to a hospital. united airlines had no right to remove him. jesse: i guess the aviation security dies ar security gue not exactly hostage negotiators. kathleen, is there anything fishy about this guy snow runs back on the plane. he refuels to comply with orders from aviation security officials. we have some stuff in his back history that may or may not have anything to do with that. what s your take on his character even if it doesn t matter. if he said okay under duress i ll get off this airplane. he was heard saying i m going to sue united airlines. that s before everything escalated. if he student and said under duress and protest i will step off this airplane and went forward with a lawsuit, it would be interesting to see if he would have his day in courted. there is a contract of carriage. and so if an airplane has to due to stlaib, they had to get this crew in position for their flight the next day to kentucky. it would be interesting to see if he would have won. they obviously would have blown any case they would have had. jesse: arthur, respond to that point kathleen just made. if there is language that says if you have got to get your guys to louisville for work, you can eject a passenger. how do you respond to that? there is no such slang tbhaijt contract. the section the lady is referring to talks about strikes. that s the only labor issue. there was an american airlines flight from chicago to louisville leaving one hour later. they could have put the crew on that flight. they could have put 0 members on the flight deck itself in the jump seats. there are two jump seats on the airplane, and in the form of everything else, because they loaded the airplane with their passengers, they could have put them in a limo it s a four-hour ride from chicago to louisville. a limo could have taken everybody necessary to louisville. jesse: let me ask you this. this guy kinds of strikes me as a litigious guy. will we see him in his next public appearance all wrapped up in bandsages like a mummy, ready to launch some $10 million salute against these people? what do you think? or is the customer always right? what i think is the public once great about this is they will get an education. a few years ago we got passengers bill of rights because they were held hostage on tarmacs. so that s been addressed. congress is looking into this. but the public needs to understand, technically though this is united airlines, it s a wholly separate airline is republic airlines. a different set of pilots with a different set of rules. jesse: is that a russian? that could be another whole scandal we could be looking into. gotta run. i love delta airlines. all right? still to come within watters world watters world heads to texas to drain the swamp one rat at a time. we have some great designs coming in. i think the wall is going to start pretty soon. jesse: but powerful people are trying to stop the wall from being built. advil liqui - gels make pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain? advil. we re out ink,nk! not ink. printing doesn t have to be painful. now, during hp savings month at staples, get up to $180 off hp printers. hi hey you look good. thank you, i feel good. it all starts with eating right. that s why i eat amaz!n prunes now. they re delicious and help keep my body in balance. i love these. sunsweet amaz!n prunes, the feel good fruit. tbut with lightning fast shifts instant. and dynamic track-tuned suspension, what the road demands, the gs delivers. experience high performance through high technology, in the lexus gs 350 and gs turbo. experience amazing. anyone ever have occasional constipation,diarrhea, gas or bloating? 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this whole pushback on the wall, jesse is they don t want trump to succeed at fulfilling another campaign promise. the only endangered species is the american citizen being hurt by illegals. that s what this is about. they don t want to fulfill another campaign promise just like you showed earlier. they jumped all over him modifying his position and saying he was a flip-flopper. no, he was listening. he did what you do as a leader. if you have to modify it at that point when you have all the information, you are not a flip-flopper. you are a leader. the wall is going to be built. jesse: do you believe paul ryan doesn t want president trump to succeed in building the wall? or do you just think games are being played here? i just think games are being played. i don t believe paul ryan doesn t want the wall to be built. there is a lot of speculation. you know that because of what you do. what happens is you get some of the people that are against it and they can take one word and one phrase and speculate that that means he doesn t want the wall to be built. secondly when they talk about the money is not going to be there. i think also that that s something they have come up with to fit the narrative to try and kill the idea of the wall. but it s not going anywhere. jesse: do you think president trump is getting involved in the design details for the wall or do you think that s showmanship, thinking he s going to put a big t on every brick? i think that he will be involved in the final selection. but he doesn t have time to dot thicss and cross the ts. but the final selection i believe he will be involved in because that s what he has done for many of the big prongs he has done for his business over the years. jesse: i think if you pony up some dough, you get a special section that trump wall that s electrified. we can start zapping things as they try to cross. thank you very much as always. i just want the sign to be put up on the other side. we ll kill you if you cross this wall. jesse: i think that will send a clear message. happy easter on that note. coming up. watters world attempts to drain the swamp but it was harder than i thought. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh . he got there. that s the power of and. jesse: you ready to drain the swamp? sure. jesse: let s do it. maybe i what feel more manly if i didn t have pink ear muffs. we get out there it s because of politicians. we have problems in our swamp too. the swamp in washington is just like the swamp here. trump is going to get rid of all the swamp vermin. jesse: what kind of creatures are we expecting to see out here today? allocators, snakes, but all of these creatures are nothing compared to the creatures that live up in your neck of the woods. jesse: that s true. this neck of the woods voted heavily for donald trump. absolutely. jesse: these people understand donald trump s message. it seems like the rest of the country doesn t understand the people down here. you hear he didn t win the popular vote. when you take the middle america and working class people, we are the ones who built this country. it s the first time in my life i was proud of the man i voted for support. when you go up for the trump sticker. they figure out the swamp guy. if you ever came up to new york, do you think you can handle it? i can handle anything. can i bring my gun? jesse: i don t know if deblasio will allow that. do you have anything to eat here? depend on what you can shoot. jess i got him. i got him. you can pick it up. jesse: with my hands? yes, with your hand. jesse: i can t do it. oh, ahh! okay. ahh. let s do it, let s do it. you guys are disgusting. we are going fishing. we are starting over. my daughter, don t tell her i let you use it. what are we trying to catch out there? my little girl could probably show you a few pointers. jesse: i ll try not to take offense to that. oh, oh! you are a professional fishermen and we caught zero fish. that was a piece of trash. hey, watters. i m t roy and this is my world. jesse: we ll have t roy up in new york in a while to see how he handles my world. up next, tweets of the week. gs . live claritin clear. every day. see you around, giulia what powers the digital world? communication. like centurylink s broadband network that gives 35,000 fans a cutting edge game experience. or the network that keeps a leading hotel chain s guests connected at work, and at play. or the it platform that powers millions of ecards every day for one of the largest greeting card companies. businesses count on communication, and communication counts on centurylink. la quinta presents, how to win at business. step one: ask the presenter to go back a slide. well played. you just tossed a mind grenade into into your colleagues dulled senses. look at them, what did i miss? 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with their other offering, music. musically, what s happening is very exciting. ten years ago, artists would still go on tour as a way to sell records. today, no one is making any money selling records. the only real money is in the live performance, and to have an intimate experience with an artist becomes very precious. wesley, otherwise known as john wesley harding, has had a long music career, but his sold-out cabinet of wonders cabaret show at city winery is one of his favorite gigs. i think we re up to our 92nd show. the whole idea of a comfortable evening out with good wine and good food is a good deal, too. the way our show is run and run here is tribute to the fact that there s a certain kind of thing that is perfect for this place. don t blink because in an instant, city winery has one more trick up its sleeve. this well oiled machine quickly big change when he noticed his customers buying a lot of beer tap handles, products that weren t even part of the original plan. when you have customers calling every day, it s hard to turn them away. nice people. they want to give you money. that s a good thing. mark never could have guessed what his best selling product would be when he started his small business in 1981. 20, 30 years ago, beer taps didn t play that big a part in the retailing of beer. and my feeling is that now it s a huge part. i think we have been very lucky to have this marked find us. this market grew around us. the owner of mark supick and company in baltimore, maryland, said his clients are the reason he decided to sell his now popular custom designed wooden beer tap handles. before this, the customer demand wasn t that high. it came in the back door, it was an aside, and we made them because it was a good fit for us. mark originally focused on carpentry work, building pieces like cabinets for homes, but conversations with other small business owners pushed him in another direction. i had a couple local brewers come to me and say we want t handle. we made it for them. that s when it took off. i just started doing it as sales work. rather than drag his heels, he recognized the potential. fortunately, it didn t require a major pivot in production. it wasn t difficult. we just did more of what we were doing. also plenty of wood turning being done on site. we made beer taps which are lathe turned and go to the breweries and millwork, which is primarily lathe turned. we made stair parts, newals and spindles and handrails. as the number of orders for the handles grew, the team figured out a way to accommodate all customers, especially newer ones. the answer was to simplify the design. we are a wood shop, and we re trying to focus on a definite line of handles that say a novice brewer can come in and say i want that handle, that suits me. or maybe i want that handle but this changed a little bit. customers know they re being heard, steven has a standing order, but he can always call with a request. he ll go out of his way. i think that s typical of a small business person. you know, your customer comes first, and he ll spend the extra time to go out of his way. i m not talking about hundreds of tap handles, if i need ten, 20, he ll supply them. with customers nationwide, mark said the company has reimagined its production by becoming more efficient. more orders than we ever had, so it was really by necessity to get it done and really keep from banging our heads against the wall. staff has increased. when necessary, manpower can shift. we really sort of compartm t compartmentalize each one. we have employees who only work on tap handles. it one of us would jump on temporarily. joseph believes the company has found a way to balance its work flow. we re fairly flexible with a lot of the stuff we do, so we can adjust for customer demand as needed. demand for tap handles itself has been steady. those customers have also given the business stability at uncertain times. when the millwork fell off, it kept us going through that. the decision to grow the line has worked out so well that sales for the product now account for more than 50% of business. the one catch about following customer demand is that the business is headed in a direction that mark didn t predict. he admits that making the tap handles can be a bit repetitive. it s not stimulated so we try to move people around and make things interesting. that being said, clients are speaking with their dollars. i m seeing companies we have been dealing with for years, their demand for tap handles has increased. they would ask for a small batch in the beginning, now their batch is now like once a month. it s interesting to see not only our business improve but their business improve as well. that s why there are conversations about ways to increase production across the board. since the mimwork side is plenty busy, it s not like we do less millwork. everybody is elevated. we just do more beer taps. the staff is keeping a watchful eye on 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and keep it authentic. all fast growing companies have one thing in common. they have built products or provide a service that in the eye of their customers are simply must-haves. so what can you do to harness the strategy for your company to grow fast? shaun ellis is the founder and ceo of growth hackers.com. he s also co-author of the new book, hacking growth, how today s s fastest growing companies drive fast-growing success. thanks for wiig here. before we start, define growth hacker for me. growth hacker or growth hacking is really about understanding the full customer journey. and doing testing across that entire customer journey and contrast that with the typical marketing which tends to be more externally focused. so growth hacking takes it to a level where it s focused on all levels of growth and having a team work together to test those levels. i want to go through urtips because it takes people on the journey. the first one you talk about is understand your must-have benefit. don t you think when most companies launch a product they understand that or no? it s surprising that a lot of companies, when they launch a product, they have an idea in mind of the value that people are going to get from the product, but when people actually use it, a lot of times they actually get more benefit from something that was unanticipated. so it s really important to i would crowdsource that from your customers and try to mock sure that you first consider what products consider it a must-have and dig into why they consider it a must-have. what is the benefit they re getting from the product? with that information, you really have now kind of a finish line as you re acquiring new users to bring them to that experience. number two, you talk about determining a key growth metric. it seems obvious, right? is it revenues, sales, users. what i have found is that people in charge change that key growth metric when the one they originally picked isn t working. right? so at first, it s users. then they say, we re not getting users, fast enough so it s visitors. if you can t get to your first one, do you have to stick to it or think this is going to be slower than i thought and i need to think about this in a different way? you can be flexible with it. the mistake a lot of companies make is that they are focused on a business metric or a business outcome, where what really drives sustainable growth is this customer value. we talked about this must-have benefit customers get from a product. how do you quantify that in a single metric that over time that metric is going to be a much better indicator of sustainable growth. if you re delivering value, people will come back and want more of that value. so maybe repeat not your typical business metric. maybe repeat usage from your current customers? kind of the best example that i can think of would be airbnb, they have for their in the growth hacking world, we call it a north star metric. for their north star metric, it would be nights booked. there s benefit for a host and there s benefit for a guest every time a night is booked. and so the more nights they have booked, the more value is being delivered. and the more likely that that growth is going to be sustainable over time. got it. build glass functional growth team. you take people from marketing, et cetera, and say you re the growth team? right. so this is what s pretty cool, and facebook really pioneered this. since the time they pioneered it, they built about another $400 billion in value in the business, it s this idea that testing across kind of all of the levers of growth is really challenged because a lot of the people who control levers that sit within product, for example, are not going to be the marketing team. what you want to be able to do is have this cross functional team that has permission to test really anywhere that can affect growth, and , so that s the big benefit is that by having this cross functional team that includes marketers, potentially designers, engineers, data, a data analyst, but being able to bring together a group of these skills that have permission to test across anywhere in the business to drive growth can be really effective for being able to unlock growth in areas that maybe are a little less obvious than going out and spending more on advertising. the other two is optimize the full customer journey and test growth levers. it seems you re talking about a mind set as anything else. there s definitely a mind set. it s this continuous improvement mind set where you know everything that you re doing, particularly when it comes to optimization, there s a better way to do everything, and the only way to discover that better way is through testing and ultimately trying to see what the impact from that testing is on your north star metric. any test that expands value being delivered to customers is going to be a successful test. when i hear hacking, when you hear hack, your think tricks to change everything and make it better. are there tricks people need to be using or tactics instead of tricks. these are big organizational thing. right, this is really hacking in the sense of just creative problem solving. it s, so like engineering is another sort of hacking synonym, so ultimately, it s about being able to use whatever resources that you have to come up with creative solutions to the problems that are holding back growth. great. so good to talk to you. thank you so much for coming on. thank you, j.j., i appreciate it. when we come back, we answer your questions on how to make key hires when scaling your business. and we ll see if this elevator pitch for a lactose-free ice cream product moves our judges. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. what are some key hires that an early-stage company should make in order to most effectively scale their business? in an early-stage company your key hires are so important. it s going to depend what type of company you have. the types of company i ve been involved in has been focusing initial on operations and marketing. if you think of supply and demand, those are so important in businesses that have some sort of product that you re selling, a marketplace, a service, i would say find a rock star markets and a rock star ops person. hi. i m katy. and i m gwen. we re the co-founders of minus the moo. i love ice cream but i m part of the population that suffers from lactose intolerance. as a consumer i had to sacrifice taste and texture. no lactose-free ice cream offered the same quality, taste and quality. we created minus the moo, the first premium real lactose free ice cream on the market. we use all the same ingredients as a lactose ice cream. last year $20 billion was spent by lock toes-free people trying to help. we ve partnered with the largest national food distributors in the world. we re raising $500,000 to introduce our brand into the mid atlantic region and to launch online shipping on minusthemoo.com. you have fans over here. i m going to have to take those away from you. no. you put them back here now. two numbers from you. one, two what did you think of the product? what did you think of the pitch? which one didn t they eat? the chocolate. what i love is i had to suffer between one or the other. there was no option that you weren t going to eat ice kreecr. right. the rest of my life not eating ice cream? let s go. i m a huge ice cream eater so you had me at hello. that was an easy one and i was fascinated if there was a difference in flavor. i love the idea of the product. you defined it by your personal expectations. it s something you believe in. you maybe feel emotionally connected to it. a short time to make that point. you also talked about the need for the money and what it s going zblsh give us the number. i love the idea for the product, and i love the way you presented it. thank you so much. that s good from him, too. i am lactose intolerant and i ve always suffered. it s still ice cream, and then i deal with it later. i like the fact that you know your numbers. i always love when people come and have done their homework. you know the product and the market. i m going to give you a nine. a little seven. i want to see you work harder on presentation in terms of the things you say. and how you say them, but i love that you did your homework and that s easily resolved. this is amazing. it tastes so good. i m going to take it back. congratulations to both of you. best of luck. i also love the packaging. thank you for your great advice. all of you out there, if you d like to pitch your company just like you just saw, even if you don t have ice cream to give us, you can still come on the show. send us a video of you doing your one-minute elevator pitch. send it to yourbusiness@msnbc.com. include a short summary of what your company does, how much money you re trying to raise and what you intend to do with the money. we look forward to seeing some of you on the show. we ve now got the top two tips you need to know to help you grow your business. our guests are with us once again. thank you for giving us your morning. your tip is about being afraid. yeah. it s a biggie. we could talk about a lot of transactional tips. keep your budgets in gear. make sure you talk to your customers. but i ve had the honor of working with over 1,000 companies over the last 30 years and there s a behavior that gets in the way of quality decision making. that s not anything to do with the things that you think about are normal active items. they re about personal issues. fear. many of the startups i meet are fearful of things but they don t identify the fears. and in many cases they make decisions without dealing with those fears. i feel like if you re afraid, you start making short-term decisions. sure. absolutely. how do you deal with it? you talk about it with your partner or team? i have a methodology of identifying the things that are going to kill your business, the things you don t want to talk about. mostly ego gets in the way because you won t admit them and you hope they ll go away but they won t. and we re all very good at convincing ourselves it will go away. you re running and growing a business. you ve got some ego involved. deal with the fears first. all right. you re up. for me, the biggest thing that people do when they say okay, we only have this much money to make it work and then we re out of money, where can we cut? the one place people cut is on marketing. that turns out to be their biggest problem. if what you have to do is sell and you have a product you need in stores and you cut the one way to talk to your audience, there s a problem. you re cutting off your nose to spite your face. don t cut your marketing budget but look at different ways you can reach your audience. are you spending a lot of money for sort of a shotgun approach when you should be picking people audiotape one by one? perhaps use can change it. i think a lot of people waste money on marketing because they feel like they need to, and they may not be getting sales but they feel like they re building their brand. figure out how to spend the money better. thank you both of you. this week s your business selfie comes from linda o-boyle. she s a former graphic designer and opened her lifestyle boutique in 2016. congratulations on. we love seeing your companies from all around the country. pick up your smart phone, take a selfie of you and your business and share it with our audience. no professional shots, please. send it to yourbusiness@msnbc. include your name, the name of your business, where you are and use the hash tag your business selfie . here s one thing i took from today s show. when i was talking to shawn, his consulting bt about growth hacking, he talked about having a metric that everybody looks at that really you look at every day to see are you growing the way you re supposed to and making sure everyone in your company knows that metric. i can t stress how important this is. it gets everyone on the same page from engineering to marketing to finance. everyone, if you know what kind of thing you re going to look at to say you ve been successful. we try to do this in my company. it s not always easy, but you have to identify what it is. if you have any questions or comments about today s show, e-mail us at yourbusiness@msnbc.com. we posted all the segments from today plus more for you. connect for us on digital and social media platforms. we look forward to seeing you next time. until then, remember, we make your business our business. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a 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