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Experience. but i stayed because and the joint chief of staff was there, mark esper was there, that was about syria and what was going on there. that s sort of the way approach it. we do this but we have do our job. i will look to find someone at the white house to work with me. i found them. there are quite a few people over there and we are working together even though this other stuff is going on. you said a minute ago you know jim jordan and work with him and don t know what the hell he s doing to use your words. that s true. most people know what he s doing, which is protecting the president. you know these guys better than we do, obviously. in private conversations or when you all get together, are they being as dishonest as it seems they re being? in other words, they hear the evidence, they re smart men and women, they know what happened and yet they re going a different direction. what s in it for them? why are they doing this? first of all, i really want ....
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don t put it on speaker phone, that might disprove your point. michael steele, let me ask you about the republican approach which was a revelation to a lot of people and why david holmes was there yesterday, which was to say, you know, what else recount for us chapter and verse everything that was in that conversation? oh, you couldn t remember? why did it enough to asap rocky in sweden? he said i heard what i heard about ukraine and then he moved on to a different topic. republicans didn t have a lot of places to go with david holmes yesterday. no, they didn t because he, you know, it was very clear that he was in the space with the ambassador. the ambassador basically confirmed what holmes was going to say before he said it because he acknowledged that the call took place and in a public, open space. that it was loud enough for a third party to hear. and homes was that third party. the fact that republicans not just with holmes but with hill, ....
It interesting. well, i d argue that everybody in the back rowe would find it interesting, but i don t know that that s necessarily criteria. on a go-ed fforward basis, can articulate in the future this that when you re privy to certain circumstances that would be embarrassing to the principal that if it s the principal you share it with the ambassador that s fine. but folks within the embassy that don t have a need to know that you wouldn t regale them with your recounting of those instances? sir, i think it was gordon sondland who showed discretion by having that conversation over a cell phone line. so the congressman s suggestion is that david holmes should not have shared that with his superiors and told him that he heard the ambassador of the eu talking with the president about a political investigation. donny, what do you got over there? i want to try to exercise on my phone. the big question is can he overhear somebody that s on the phone. i m going to call my mother. ha ....
I don t want to overstate it, but it just seems to be that everything is known at this point. everything is known over and over again. we heard the same narrative, the same quid pro quo narrative. and, you know, the only the only good thing in this whole process, to me, is that the american people have been allowed to see some great public servants who ordinarily don t get any attention for the good work that they do on behalf of the american people. jonathan, one of the things dr. hill did right out of the box, we got a preview of it when we saw her opening statement about 24 hours ago was to go right at republicans on the committee and say, you re pedali peddling a fiction. i study these things, i know she s things better than you sitting up there, she didn t say it that way, but it was russian that meddled and by meddling these fictions of ukraine, you re helping russia with their ....