Clearly pence makes that call, and it's supposed to be that kind of call. and it's legally relevant that the defendant movesing the conversation back, seizes on the intersection to pursue according to the smith indictment a criminal plot. that's presumably from pence, a reference from pence's notes, those are his notes, unless somebody rebutts that -- we know that's it. in page 41 of the indictment, we see trump is in the, quote, outer oval office with aides. the defendant says, see this is what happens when you try to steer elections. people are unhappy. you don't put that in quotes and jack ...