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We may see him sit in prison for a few years but eventually, we'll see the president pardon him. >> and the fbi says that releasing any information that is related to comey, the comey memos which this is coming from a new court filing, cnn is trying to get those released. the fbi says that's going to compromise the mueller investigation. is there credence in that? >> could be. we don't know what is in the memos. we don't know where mueller is in the investigation. we've heard reports they're about to issue the final report. it's about to go to the department of justice, the attorney general. b...

Speculation was cohen angling for some sort of a pardon and would trump come through with that? avenatti was making the argument that trump should have just taken, should have taken cohen to washington with him. you know, set him up real good there so this would never cross his mind. was there anything trump could have done or should have been doing here? >> that's the interesting thing. michael avenatti loves to give trump back his tweets and fire right back at him. i'm perplexed as to what michael thinks the president should have done. i think when cohen started sending signals that he was r...

Strategic. he is smart. he is experienced. he is a former u.s. attorney. he knows how to run these investigations. so let's take a step back. he's got paul manafort right now in the crosshairs. manafort is going to be found guilty. i would bet the house on that. then the question is does the president pardon him, does he go to jail, does he cooperate. big, big issue there. he's now focused, bob mueller is now focused on one of the political operatives, who allegedly was involved in some of this russia shenanigans business. stone, who is a dirty tricks guy, is now in the crosshair. is he going ...

Overruled but i would put the final nail in. >> here, here. >> so, if that tape had ended 15 seconds sooner than it had you wouldn't have an issue. but instead you have a potential republican appointed supreme court justice saying he'd like to throw out the special counsel statute when this very supreme court may, in the future, have to weigh in on things like can the president fire the special council. could the president pardon him, himself. any number of issues related to the special counsel investigation could come before this supreme court, and democrats, including chuck schumer on the fl...

System, he'll have to do 85%. the only way to reduce that is for him to be a cooperator. that's what the feds want. that's what he's going to have to do. other w otherwise, he'll do the sentence if he gets convicted. >> the personal attorney of donald trump giuliani has been talkative about the whole notion and potential of pardons. would trump consider pardoning cohen preemptively before this case, you know, were to even go to trial or before, you know, well, maybe even after, you know, a deal were cut? >> well, i mean, he certainly has power to do it. legally, he has the power. but even the ...