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Top three officials of the justice department who donald trump appointed. these weren't career officials. these were no deep state individuals to use the trumpism. these were people trump appointed. now the person who trump wanted basically in charge of the justice department was jeffrey clark. he was a conservative lawyer, worked in conservative legal circles, partner in a law firm, basically was an appointee in a lower position at the justice department. essentially, he had no business running the justice department. the idea was, he was the only person who would say yes. he was a yes man fo...

Followed up with rudy giuliani's mystery tweet -- >> was he serious? >> sarah did not pardon anybody from the stadium today but he told me late friday, oh, yes, soon after i came on board in 2018, the president told me cohen sought a pardon from him, which is an interesting piece of information, particularly because i just asked rudy giuliani the day before that very question and he didn't have that answer. so really what that is another example of the shifting narratives here. the story changes by the day from the white house and the president and his allies as they try to get some sort of in...

To congress before. so, both of them have real credibility issues. the issue for cohen is he directly said to congress, no, i did not seek a pardon and i wouldn't have accepted it. then, his attorney recently stated they were sort of, inquiring about a pardon. so, there's questions about whether in the late spring of 2018 michael cohen's team might have been asking about a pardon. i think the way his legal team is going to spin this is, michael cohen will refute he directly asked trump for a pardon, what trump stated and will say that he was possibly inquiring about a pardon before he decided ...

Violations. he is and was the president's lawyer with regard to that. the president already signaled he has a perfectly valid advice of counsel defense. i relied on my lawyer to provide me advice with regard to following the campaign finance laws. that's why i have him in place to do these things lawfully. so he is essentially signaled, i hired a bad lawyer. >> he seems to be proving it in public testimony. contradicting himself on several key points, particularly on the point of a pardon. >> on the dangling of a pardon issue, i don't know what kind of daylight he was trying to find between wh...

Out. pardons. these people have done horrible things. how would paul manafort be worse if the president pardoned him? >> really fundamental point about the pardon power which is near absolute under article 1, but i would argue, very respectfully, that it ought to be somewhat constrained by congress at least in requiring some statement of reasons, some kind of transparency, some rules, perhaps, apply to it because you're absolutely right that the president's apparent near absolute pardon power is very troubling to the american people. >> so, patrick, walk us through this pardon issue because th...