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What the president's campaign was engaged in that may not have been part of the counts in this trial. so that would be a gross abuse of process. now, it is true that the president has the power of the pardon. on the other hand, if you look at the guidelines for which justice departments have used in the past for exercising that pardon power, there have been clearer steps that have been gone through. this president has blown through all of that. he has undermined the integrity of the pardon process. he has politicized it. you asked me about the response from my republican colleagues in response...

And it was true in the traditional pardon process, it would be too early. most people don't use preemptive pardons, also the supreme court has upheld them. it's not too soon if this jury goes in a certain direction. do you think that paul manafort's defense reflects some hail mary hope for a pardon? >> absolutely. first of all, donald trump has signalled in multiple ways that he would very seriously consider pardoning paul manafort, one, by some of the other people he has pardoned, dnesh, joe arpaio. >> scooter lib by. >> he's got a trail of pardons that can only indicated to anyone who may fa...

The american people, for instance with the stormy daniel payment, a lot of suspense whether president trump knew about it and he goes on television and his job to get ahead of the story and maybe tell us about that or something we didn't know. in this case he could possibly be telling us trump did indeed ask comey to back off of flynn. he was not loose with whether or not he directed cohen to make the payment. he said not to my knowledge, never said no, absolutely not and careful when he said, not to my knowledge and whether or not trump would rule out a pardon for michael cohen. he said he ha...

Bit here too. hugh hewitt, what would be the ramifications if the president were to pardon michael cohen? >> the president will be impeached by a democratic majority, period. >> regardless of what happens? >> he will be impeached by the democratic party if they take the house. if he does things that are reported in a mueller report which indicate collusion of any sort or manipulation of the pardon process, i think he loses votes in the senate, which he'll be acquitted and, therefore, there is no upside to a pardon, period. it's bad for the reputation of the president, it's bad for the country ...

Into a proffer meeting, enters into a proffer agreement, provides information to u.s. attorneys, and enters into some kind of deal, you can't unring that bell. the ausas who hear the information he hase them unhear it after it's out the door. so if time to pardon is -- if it's going to happen, the time is now. and cohen certainly knows that. and maybe within theext couple of days we will see what president trump's temperature is on the pardon process. >> mimi, does a pardon cover the evidence? like if's say the president pardons michael cohen tomorrow. all that evidence that was gathered up by...