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Is without fact, certainly a terrorist would be warned to that kind of comment, but that is not the case here. i would be suspect on them even dangling a position in this very independent agency that must protect the laws and the constitution of the united states. >> and as you, the judiciary committee, obviously focus on this issue, you mention justice and pardons. i want to turn to that because you have written a letter along with your fellow republicans on the committee asking the committee how the president has been using his pardoning power. he has not been going through the department of...

Video and took an interest. and she met with jared kushner with this at the white house and got an oval office popping and yesterday the papers were signed, four steps complete. >> let me hone in on one of those steps, the role of jared kushner, what is he playing in terms of handing out the pardons or getting them in front of the president's eyes? and more importantly, i know that one of the issues that he was tasked with is criminal justice reform are we seeing the administration make any steps on that? or are they just focused on these types of pardons? >> the president's sentencing vempl a...

Reinstated after so much drama with that. we are seeing him really make a stand here. he was given a lot of things in his portfolio when he joined the adtion involving peace in the middle east and several others and the office of innovation technology. prison reform has been one of jared kushner's main things and we are seeing him stick by that by inviting kim kardashian, and we are seeing it does say something about jared kushner's role in the white house and it also raisuestiof the president is trying to send a signal to his allies with this pardoning power. we know the paul manafort and mic...

Too much, especially early in their first term, using pardoning power, but he has grabbed on to the idea that this is his way he can make his imprint on many different cases regardless of the political consequence. >> you know, mika, the president of the united states and all those around him talking brashly about all the things they can do, suggesting they're the ones that will be playing hardball against robert mueller. the fact is they're horrified. they know this report is coming in the fall. they know more indictments are coming. they know that things are going to be exposed that they nev...

Todd did. in retrospect. had it been me i would have said i'm not going there. abby: thought president is eeting about it? >> we are talking about it so it's part of the 24/48 hour news cycle. the argument in favor of the president can pardon himself is the pardoning power, according to the supreme court, is plenary. meaningful, final, complete. there's no check on it. the argument against that is the constitution elm bodies the rule of law. one of the basic principles of the rule of law is the person can't be the prosecutor or the judge in his own case. i think the stronger argument is most r...