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Stories that aren't positive and he tweets and pushes it out there and it further elongates the story and makes a one-day story a longer story. i think he's wise to be silent on this. hopefully in their mind it pulls it back. but let's take the sex out of it. let's take what happened out of it. the real problem for him as ryan said is the legal complications here, the fact that they potentially paid people off and potentially threatened people. that's the bigger concern. the sex in my view is between he and melania. for the american people, it's about the lies and the cover-up and the potentia...

Serious legal jeopardy. so i don't really -- i don't know if that makes sense to me. i think it's more what frank's saying frankly. also anyone who's following stormy daniels on twitter, i wouldn't get in a fight with her, you know. i mean she's -- he's met his match for sure if he tries to get into it with her. and i think it could become very ugly for him very quickly. let's also remember he's married. he has a wife who is not very happy about this, we can assume. and i think that that's a factor in his thinking. >> and another part of remaining silent, hopefully he's learned you don't conti...

Represented. heather: something i am thinking of, we heard the controversy taking down statues and forms of art that are representative, in terms of slavery and that type of thing. this issue, the wall, is very controversial so people who have feelings that aren't positive, how do you answer that? >> one thing we are concerned with is much of the art being produced today in this country is not a controversial nature, it shies away from controversy. i don't think we are afraid of that. it doesn't take a position, it is a composition of being an observer. one of the things about -- heather: the ...

Sabrina, evening a lot of that is just republican haters. your thought? >> yes, it shows some of the struggles amid the e-mail controversy and the campaign's inability to break through on the messaging there. at the same time, she leads republicans in all the hypothetical head-to-head matchups. she also has a sizeable lead over joe biden and bernie sanders. >> but not in the matchup with the republicans. biden has taken the lead there, which is weird. what did you think of the words on hillary? how about secretive? >> yeah, she's a liar but at least she's our liar. i think the question is -- >...

Is just republican haters. your thought? >> yes, it shows some of the struggles amid the e-mail controversy and the campaign's inability to break through on the messaging there. at the same time, she leads republicans in all the hypothetical head-to-head matchups. she also has a sizeable lead over joe biden and bernie sanders. >> but not in the matchup with the republicans. biden has taken the lead there, which is weird. what did you think of the words on hillary? how about secretive? >> yeah, she's a liar but at least she's our liar. i think the question is -- >> oh, god. you're tough. >> hav...