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Before we get to the study you conducted on methods to reduce polarization, just put the situation in perspective for us. How divided would you say this country is right now . More divided than it has ever been since the civil war . Caller i would say that the u. S. Is as divided as it has been at any point since the civil war. As a political researcher and a sociologist, i tend to focus on the public opinion, which is one way to look at this. Public opinion data on polarization and attitudes in the American General public is really concerning. It is not looking very good. For example, we see ...

Continues. Host we return now to the topic of Political Polarization in america. Our guest has spent a long time studying the issue at stanford university. Up early for us, thanks so much for being here. Before we get to the study you conducted on methods to reduce polarization, just put the situation in perspective for us. How divided would you say this country is right now . More divided than it has ever been since the civil war . Caller i would say that the u. S. Is as divided as it has been at any point since the civil war. As a political researcher and a sociologist, i tend to focus on th...

The white house. >> good to know. joining us now senator jeff murkley from the great state of organize. good to see you tonight. this week we heard lisa murkowski of alaska suggest she's not in lock step with mcconnell. she particularly took exception to the fact mcconnell said he's working hand in glove with the white house, and now we see these ads taking aim with susan collins. you worked side by side with both of them in the senate. do you think it's likely other or both of them could vote with democrats on this? >> i think it is possible. all sorts of developments are going to occur here....

This ad campaign, it's not a big but it's making a big point. democrats in the senate set aside our party identities. we have a responsibility under the constitution to conduct a full and fair trial, and that is very important that we do that. not just for this moment but for the precedent it sets for the future of our country. >> and i'd like to remind people you will all take a separate oath for the impeachment trial separate and apart from the oath you've taken when you were sworn in as senators. on monday the president tweeted his endorsement for susan collins in her reele-election b comin...

Murk lee from the great state of iowa. democrats only need four votes to force the senators hand to call witnesses in the trial. this week we heard lisa murkowski of alaska suggest she's not in lock step with mcconnell. she particularly took exception to the fact mcconnell said he's working hand in glove with the white house, and now we see these ads taking aim with susan collins. you worked side by seed side with both of them in the senate. do you think it's likely that either or both of them could vote with democrats on this? >> i think it is possible. all sorts of developments are going to ...