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time when prosecutors for jack smith were really, really active in interviewing witnesses around trump's mindset, appeared to be trying to get at just that. they were trying to determine whether trump knowingly based his actions on a lie in claiming widespread fraud that impacted the outcome of the november 2020 election. now, as we understand it, kushner has insisted that it was his impression that trump genuinely believed the election was stolen, according to a person familiar with what took place. this is a line of questioning the prosecutors have asked several witnesses, who are ...

Branch. but the doj is part of the executive branch. so that argument doesn't exist anymore. and because he's openly accused trump of having recklessly endangered not only him but his wife and daughter who were present on capitol hill that day, i think he's waived the executive privilege argument as well. i don't know how he could protect himself against a legitimately issued subpoena to testify in the criminal case. >> okay. you don't believe he can protect himself. as paula notes, it's possible the president's legal team can assert some sort of privilege claim here. likely to win on that arg...

Try to move these things along as quickly as possible. >> deliberate strategy it seems for trump's team. paul rah reid, thanks so much. let's dig in deeper with paul callan, former new york city prosecutor. paul, happy thanksgiving to you. thanks for joining us. >> happy thanksgiving to you, jim. >> what's the likelihood he testifies here -- as paula notes, it's different, a subpoena from the justice department is different from a subpoena from the january 6th committee. so do you believe he does eventually give some sort of testimony? >> yes, i think at the very least he's going to cooperat...