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No, theyre completely different, day and night. Yes, maam. Reporter one of your members, congressman keith ellison, has released a statement that mentions that perjury is a felony punishable by jail time. Do you think thats an appropriate piece of this conversation . An investigation would show that but the law has been broken. And what he was stating was fact, that perjury is a crime and there are consequences to it. It remains to be seen what the investigation what else the investigation will lead to. But perjury by an ordinary citizen is punishable in the courts. How much enhanced is that a...

Security. when one of our principal adversaries around the world drk make no mistake about it, putin is a strong man. he's not out to help the united states. he's out to undermine the united states. he's got the good on the united states. we can't allow that to happen because that undermines our national security. that's why this is a big deal. that's why we need to know the truth. that's why he needs to resign. that's why we need a special prosecutor who can be independent. >> chairman perez, it's good to see you. thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> let me bring in n...