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Leader. Those were lies, plain and simple. I was honestly concerned that he might lie about the nature of our meeting. The president said i had dinner with him. He wanted to have dinner because he wanted to stay on. Is this an accurate statement . No, sir. Then in that same interview, the president said in one case, i called him, and in one case, he called me. Is that an accurate statement . No. Did you ever call the president . No. In his press conference on may 18th, the president was asked whether he had urged you to shut down the investigation into michael flynn. The president responded, n...

Now? it's got him into trouble. phil nutt, the president is a newcomer to politics, yes, so you should give him a pass on how he interacts with the fbi director. does that fly with you? >> nope. no. what is with chris taking the polite pills today? let's be clear -- >> ha! >> this is nuts wrapped in silliness, stuffed in idiocy. >> come on, phil. >> mr. nutt always one for understatement. >> come on. >> no, let me give you the conversation, kate, seriously. so, you're going to walk into a 70-year-old president, claim that he doesn't know the job. here's the conversation -- there's a well-known...

And white houses. he's just new to this. >> yes. so is chris cillizza. joining me now, chris cillizza, cnn politics reporter and editor at large, phil nutt, also new to this, former cia and fbi official. james gagliano, former fbi special agent. all right, let's get to this. chris, what do you make of the explanation that we got from house speaker paul ryan there? what is he trying to do? >> the latest in a series of attempts to rationalize and justify support for donald trump, despite the fact that he has said and done many things that make paul ryan incredibly uncomfortable, would be my gues...