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Country growing up. and i think for americans today. it's not the vision of the country they know and love. >> and yet these political match nations are bringing us perilously close yet again to a government shutdown. are your friends on the other side of the aisle, are they happy they're threatening to make this country resemble the democratic republic of congo, where government doesn't function? is that the international reputation that they seek for a nation they say they love so much? >> unfortunately, martin, i think for some of them, that is the case. i'm tired of saying i feel sorry for...

Stands for. >> the ironies are immense, angela. robert, i was interested in reading a piece you had today, where senator rand paul, whose name is often mentioned, as you know, in the same sentence as that of ted cruz, just comes out and essentially tells you, no, none of this will work. he basically trashes his colleague. >> that's right. he took a barrel of cold water, martin and poured it on to have of this defunding effort within the republican party. senator paul was surprisingly candid in his interview. he said this has no shot of passing the senate. harry reid is going to take that langu...