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They don't, though. i agree with donny. most effective ads. most negative campaign probably in presidential history is my guess. >> wait. most negative? both good. and in fact, the middle class pay is -- pays more than 14%. it's people like me that end up paying the 35%. >> the middle class does not pay more than 14%. >> sure they do. >> that's completely wrong. >> if you include the payroll taxes? >> no, no. >> how do you possibly get that? >> nonprofit organization, tax policy, around since 1937, the individual effective federal income tax rate for the middle -- >> i'm not talking -- >> what...

>> we had to raise revenues of 1.2 trillion. that's half of it. that's a lot. and then close loopholes, close a lot of other loopholes and get it. you need revenues and you need to curb entitlements. i believe a majority -- >> specifically? >> medicare and medicaid are the two biggest problems. >> go at it. >> if we change the way deliver it, medicare gives great health care inefficiently. if you change the way we giver medicaid, keep the basic system. not undo which is what ryan wants to do. keep the basic structure and make it efficient. one sentence. pay all doctors a salary. the most effic...

Retiring. they want some retirement benefits. they have planned on having these retirement benefits. whether they've structured their lives and finances right all along is kind of beside the point. here they are. they say i need the social security. i need my medicare. and yeah, costs a lot of money and we'll figure that out later. you know, but the fundamentally, you know, i think it does matter who the president is and i think we're going to have to talk straight to people about what -- >> who's we? who's we? >> you don't get shared sacrifice unless you ask for it. nobody's really asked for ...