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President tried to fire mueller. it gets to one of the many dramas playing out in town. he's a conservative author. haes friend of roger stone. mueller trying to piece together whether they had inside information about the e-mails. the russians shacked from the democrats. they say why aren't all of these people in prison? james comey is there, hillary clinton is there. i think that's hillary clinton's aid that's there and rob rosen sterose

What's interesting here is that rudy giuliani, donald trump's lawyer has been saying there's a joint defense agreement. the thing about that legal experts tell me is that as soon as paul manafort began cooperating with robert mueller that joint defense agreement was null and void. they no longer have a common legal interest. what does that mean? that means these conversations between manafort's lawyers and trump's lawyers are no longer subject to the attorney-client privilege. in theory, robert mueller if he thought there was something amiss could call these guys before the grand jury and dema...

Not willing to dump, throw them under the bus. look what he did to the republicans that didn't endorse him or embrace him as he put it in the election. he laughed at them. he loved saying you're fired. that's his giggle. his kids are different. it's clear he cares about ivanka and her husband jared. my instinct has been at some point mueller is going to prosecute them. trump can't hold out his kids to be indicted because people told him he can't pardon them. doesn't he have to stop mueller in his tracks right now? >> i think this is as bad as him having fired mueller and maybe even worse and l...

Beyond the series of coincidences. >> do you think the president has the legal team me needs to take on mueller it seems like mueller has yet to lose. >> prosecutors has a tremendous advantage. as they point out, you don't mess with prosecutors. they'll come after you, they'll threaten your family and make you plead guilty. president trump had a point >> mueller has a tremendous when advantage, as adam schiff he alluded to that a special said counsel will come after you civil libertarians like me have been concerned about flipped witnesses for many, many years, prosecutors have too much power ...

The potential witness who would be interviewed. >> so, susan, i don't know what the challenge, where you would begin with a challenge on representing president trump on, for example, obstruction. while there's all this discussion about whether or not he'll talk to mueller or answer questions on paper. isn't the allegation of obstruction in plain sight, on nbc news, in his tweets, even his attacks on jeff sessions at this point one could read a lot in that this president is trying to push things away from him, potentially obstructing justice? >> well, yes. i think at this point mueller probably...