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>> certainly connections to the president. one thing is the justice department is sending a strong message. we're on our game. we've got our facts. we're ready to go after these people. i think also farming some of it out to other parts of the justice department makes it a little harder for trump to play the i'm firing mueller card and calling everything off. i think that's one really important point. the other thing is -- >> because you make the point mueller referred the michael cohen case to the southern district of new york. >> exactly. the tendrils are in different places in terms of how ...

These are conditions that are not legally required. rudy giuliani is trying to put in place some terms that robert mueller can agree to. but i don't see why robert mueller would agree to show his whole entire hand to giuliani just to get president trump to sit down with him for an interview. no doubt he wants to talk to him. his other option is to serve a subpoena on him. that brings with it the potential the litigation and some really contentious arguments about those issues. i'm sure he would rather secure his testimony through a voluntary sit-down. at some point i think robert mueller will ...

Emmet flood real lawyer. from a power house firm, williams and connolly, the kind you go to for a case like this. we should assume behind the scenes he's doing what any defense attorney woulddo, which is to assumehey're out to get your client and you have to protect your client. and he's thinking mainly about indictment after impeachment, impeachment is a concern, but as a defense attorney his main jo job is to keep the client out of jail. so, one thing he's looking -- expected -- i wouldn't say looking forward to, but expecting is a subpoena. because at some point now they're kind of playing ...

President's tweets with respect to the travel bans where he has run into trouble in the courts about what he said publicly. it's indisputable that the way he speaks to the public differently and the way he pardoned people last week. they may be permissible, but for his lawyers to say gosh this is a solemn office and we have to protect his time because he's doing important things with his time, that doesn't become credible. ultimately i think at some point mueller will have to decide whether he pulls the trigger on a federal grand jury subpoena. he would much rather sit down with the president....

Out there that the white house counsel, don mcgahn, said this letter cannot go. and he made sure that the president met with sessions and rosenstein who oversaw comey, and that's when the memo from rosenstein was created and a letter endorsing that from sessions was signed. >> so, so out there could never be publicly released, but not so out there that it didn't end up somehow -- >> rosenstein had a copy of the letter when he wrote his memo. he knew what was in that when he wrote the memo. now, the question about rosenstein in all of this is that this is the person overseeing mueller and there...