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analyst. and the host of way too early, jonathan lemire. white house bureau chief of my politico. and host of the circus, john heilemann. good to have you all. polls open in less than an hour in georgia, where one of the most consequential primaries of the midterms is taking place. there are several state and congressional races on the ballot, but the ones we re closely watching are the republican primaries for governor, secretary of state, and senate. the new york times describes the background of today s races like this. quote, georgia s got everything. disputed elections, rapid demographic change, celebrity democrats, a restrictive new voting law, an open criminal investigation into donald trump s meddling in the 2020 election, a deep rural-urban divide and unending drama between the trump wing of the republican party and the local gop establishment. that s a lot. former senator david perdue, whose loss in the state two years ago helped give democrats contr ....
That why? just, what was the point? so he s just going to say these racist dog whistles, and that s what his legacy is going to be, and not a senator from georgia? it is really embarrassing. the racism is shocking. the guy is going to finish his career this way. just blatantly racist statements. you know, one thing, john heilemann, just for our viewers that have never ventured into the deep south, it s important for them to realize because sometimes people look at the south as being one big state, one big area. they are not. georgia, actually, as elise and i were joking before, about how georgians and we found out, i think, elise, a guy tweeted at us, it was the agriculture commissioner responsible for the name the empire state of the south. that s what georgia used to be ....
One thing i asked him about was a very, very revealing line of questioning. i quoted to him his own military intelligence chief, who said the only way to get russia off our territory is through force. exclusively by force, nothing else will work. he wants them totally out. there are others in the administration who feel the same way. zelenskyy is somewhat in the middle. he does think there needs to be negotiations, but, as putin commits more and more atrocities, that becomes not just harder, you know, to do politically, but also from a point of morality. yeah. zelenskyy has utmost moral authority right now globally and in his own country. yeah, no, absolutely. sickening. here s what he told you, jonathan, when you asked him about americans who argue the u.s. should not get involved in ....
Standard bearer for a sort of what used to be the kind of evangelical base of the party, or the evangelical traditionally, evangelical conception of that kind of a republican. as a house member, you knew him then, as then governor of indiana. he has always, i thought, lacked a certain kind of set of candidate skills and charisma that would have made him a plausible presidential force. but it is clear he s always nurtured those ambitions. the notion there has been this clean break with trump, the way they finally reached the breaking point when trump continued to trash him over january 6th, he has is liberated, to some extent, to put his toes in the water. i think what he is going to find, joe, is donald trump s influence in the party may be waning, but the influence of trumpism is not waning. the party has been radicalized by donald trump. many people are way out on the limb in terms of conspiracy theory and election denial and in terms of a lot of issues ....
Point. you know, if you look at the two races, perdue and mo brooks, it s like, you know, this is something that has been obvious to anybody who paid attention to trump over the course of his public life, but his loyalty extends about as far as his personal self-interest extends. he starts to see someone who he has given an endorsement to, starts to see that person be in trouble in some way, and he ll withdraw the endorsement officially, as in the case with mo brooks, or like with david perdue, in the state trump cared about more symbolically and, for 2024, georgia could again be a crucial state, likely to be a crucial state in the presidential election, we saw david perdue losing, made clear, yes, he d make the phone call from the bathtub or the pedi chair. wherever, okay. but he is not going to the state. right. as soon as the polls are clear, yeah, well, david perdue, by tomorrow, trump will be saying, david perdue? barely met him. who are you talking about? who is david per ....