I think it's plit iicly easier to allow it to run its course without making any tough decisions. >> also isn't it becoming more evident each and every day, especially with today's stories that pakistan -- >> that was going to be my question. >> that's the real question. pakistan, an ungovernable state with a nuclear weapon. >> sure. >> what role does pakistan play? can the united states realistically pull back from afghanistan given what barnacle just said about pakistan? >> it's a strange paradox. we have to be involved with pakistan to save afghanistan while the pakistanis are running this b...