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election probe. vaughn, tell us more about why the special counsel is asking for this protective order and how trump world is reacting. >> they submitted the file on friday. in the filing they made it clear they're looking for this protective order which would very specifically prohibit the former president from revealing evidence obtained through the discovery process, this during a criminal proceeding is when the department of justice turns over the evidence it has gathered that it plans and intends to present during these criminal proceedings and gives it to the defense counsel. the concern from the department of justice is that donald trump has not only shown a keenness to revealing evidence, but also to putting pressure on potential witnesses. mike pence was one of those this weekend in which he called his former vice president delusional. of course, mike pence may be one of the witnesses to go on the witness stand. there's also concern about tainting a potential jury pool. in that filing from the department of justice they wrote in part, quote, this could have a harmful, chilling effect on witnesses or adversary affect
that trump essentially made on social media late friday evening. i was wondering what you thought of that. >> you know, usually it's a safe bet, jim, that a defendant spouting off -- a long leash. i will say that obviously donald trump is going to get some leeway. but this is not the right judge for him to try to do this in front of. i do think she's going to, you know, eventually bring resources to bear there and potentially issue orders to try to curtail his ability to continue influencing a potential jury pool. and jack smith i think is rightfully as the prosecutor going right out in front and trying to start that narrative with her, basically try to use up one of his strikes -- one of trump's strikes very early by filing motions getting that in front of her. >> the other thing that is
when they go up on appeal, whatever her decision is sticks. >> and just finally, getting pack to the social media post, it sounds like incitement and he's threatening people. if you were his defense lawyer at this point, would not you advise him to avoid this sort of thing? it could, in addition to upsetting the judge, not make a jury feel all that good about the former president. i mean, these kinds of social media posts, the stuff that he says at these rallies, i can imagine the special counsel's team, they're compiling these things to show later on during the trial. >> look, his potential jury pool is watching everything he does. both in florida and washington, d.c. certainly as a lawyer, when you're counseling your client, he has to be mindful. especially someone, a public figure with a giant bully pulpit like he has.
in this case. >> and i think cynthia, that's why you saw daniel penny's legal team released a statement before he was even arrested, or charged with a crime. calling into, highlighting the history, the criminal history of the victim in this case. i think in an attempt to taint a potential jury pool. cynthia, obviously as always, thank you for joining us, i appreciate you. and up next, far-right radicalization. the hispanic neo-nazi outlive all shooter in allen, texas, proving you don't have to be white to be a white nationalist. straight ahead, we're going in-depth with an expert who's exposing the industry from the inside. keep it right here on msnbc. it right here on msnbc. a ballet studio, an architecture firm... and homemade barbeque sauce. they're called 'small businesses.' but to the people who build them there's nothing 'small' about them. that's why at t-mobile for business... you'll save more than $1,000
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gag order against roger stone, banning him or his attorneys from speaking to had media from the courthouse. the judge stating the court is concerned about tainting this potential jury pool. they're also closing in on paul manafo manafort. a judge is asked to sentence him to prison asap. mueller has expanded his list of witnesses broader than we previously new. news tonight that sarah sander was interviewed at least last summer or early fall. i'm joined by u.s. senator richard blumenthal from the judiciary committee and a former federal prosecutor. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> when you look at these events coming together, bob mueller is on the job with a new boss, bill barr. and he's moving forward in all these ways. what does it mean to you? >> what it means is that more pieces in the mosaic are coming together. the walls are closing in on donald trump. and remember, it's not only the mueller investigation, but there's virtually no aspect or facet of trump world not under
are set to appear before a judge to argue whether to move the trial for those officers indicted in gray's death. this is what it looks like outside the courthouse in baltimore. police are starting to gather and gearing up. the defense will argue this trial cannot stay in baltimore. that riots and yesterday's $6.4 million settlement for the gray family has already biassed a potential jury pool. jean, i want to start with you. what's happening now? >> well, you see the protesters right there. we figure there are about a dozen of them. and the whole issue is they know this is a pivotal decision. this community wants this trial here in baltimore. this is their case. this is what happened to them. but the defense is saying, and they have said it through motions, they don't believe that the six police officer defendants can get a fair and
the motion to change venue will be hard by judge williams tomorrow. we know that in this is going to have an impact on the judge's decision. why? your potential jury pool has heard that the city of baltimore is paying $6.4 million to the family of freddie gray. one thing i want the viewers to understand is the following. three and a half months of negotiations allegedly went into the 6.4-million-dollar payout. as a trial lawyer, that's a pretty fast pay out for billy murphy the family attorney for freddie gray. >> i will tell you that dandy johnson was a case in 2010 went to trial somewhat like that. he didn't linger for a long time freddie gray did and the jury returned 7.4 million. this is a loor amount of settlement. but the city, the mayor is dead wrong that she couldn't have held that one off until two years down the road because the officers wouldn't have had to testify in any of the civil cases. what in the world? why are they paying this thing off now in the timing to me is horrible. >> i you think it's dirty. >> >> it is. i have got it tell you, i was sort of like katie there. tomorrow there is going to
remember, she read the probably cause statement, and the attorney said it was like it was a pep rally and there wasn't an inference of innocent until proven guilty. there was an inference of guilty now, and he said that is not right. a potential jury pool is watching that. the prosecution shot back and said, well, there is every reason in the world for her to read the public probable cause statement, and judge agreed. however, the judge did say that at one point where she was saying no justice, no peace, and marilyn mosby said that several times that day, she said he became an advocate at that point, not the state attorney, but this is not the proper venue in the courtroom to look at that issue. it is the office that deals with attorney complaints and that is where the defense should go. meanwhile out here there were peaceful protests. we heard there would be, and about four blocks away near the