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When we talk about this potential 24-year prison sentence for a 70-year-old man, this is just the case in virginia. we haven't gotten to the federal court in d.c. yet. what should we know about that case, about what went on there? >> so, it is entirely a financial fraud case involving work that paul ma that fort was doing. his international and political consulting and lobbying work. it had nothing to do with the trump campaign. that's something he was continuing to pursue in 2015 and then 2016, he winds up taking a job with the trump campaign, and he had been under investigation before the sp...

We haven't gotten to the federal court in d.c. yet. what should we know about that case, about what went on there? >> it's entirely a financial fraud case involving work that paul manafort was doing. his international and political consulting and lobby work. it had nothing to do with the trump campaign. that's something he was continuing to pursue in 2015 and then 2016 he take a job with the trump campaign. he had been under investigation and before the special counsel. the one thing i thought was really notable about the government sentencing memo was just how unsparing it was in its assessme...

Ordinarily you see an attempt to acknowledge a potential mitigating factor in the defendant's behalf and say this might be a reason to give some leniency. so and so has led an exemplary life up this point. >> none of that here. >> mueller said it's all stocked in the ledger of aggravating factors. there are zero mitigating factors in his favor which was really startling. >> indeed. our two former feds are nodding back with you. frank, on the matter of roger stone, i thought he said numerous times he hasn't been in contact with guccifer or wikileaks? >> this may be the closest we have come thus...