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The goalposts and are pushing off the inevitable date for the trial. there's also the concern that if the case is too complicated, it becomes too massive for a jury to understand or to try and a reason period of time. sometimes prosecutors will forgo certain charges that focus on the ones that really matter. i've experienced that in public corruption cases where you could've charged dozens of teams. at some point, you have to say what the best and strongest evidence is, and go with that to make this case simple unfocused, something a jury can grasp. and that we can resolve in a reasonable peri...

Charged dozens and dozens of schemes. to make this case simple and focused and the jury can grasp and can resolve in a reasonable period of time. >> to follow on that, there's three charges that have been floated in a broad sense in this target later from jack smith to donald trump. and i'd love to get your thoughts on the one that seems most mysterious to me, the deprivation of rights charge. what do you think that could be, barb? and what do you think that that -- what does that signal in terms of trump's potential wrongdoing and liability? >> i think that's one surprising all of us. the oth...

For what happened there. at the end of the day with all the money and all the security that we have around the white house, something like this should never happen. we are concerned about the fact that the president's son that we have said for seven months now is a risk to our national security. he is spending so much time in the white house. we have reports of him spending more time they are then joe biden. we don't know where hunter biden lives unless he is living in the white house. that is a concern. you go back to the laptop that they want to deny. the people that he associated himself wi...

Knows that he can't, as you -- to use your words, magically declassify, how much does that play into the doj's case? >> well, a lot, because, i think a key ingredient in determining the intent with which a person acts is consciousness of guilt. and if a person acts with consciousness of their own guilt or consciousness of their own potential wrongdoing, that demonstrates that if they go forward, nonetheless, there's intent. and you know, my understanding is that there were hundreds of documents taken, many of them were classified, some of them were top-secret. and yet, they were deliberately w...

Though a majority of america con's actually, we found do think that all of the investigations that are looking into the former president's potential wrongdoing whether it's the one that manhattan the manhattan d a is investigating or the special counsel investigations are fair. so pence right now is trying to show that he's putting up a fight and that he won't be just willingly going in to speak to the grand jury, because if he does, the republican base is not going to be happy about that. and at the center of this potential pence testimony is a heated phone call that pence had with trump on t...