north korean actions just re-enforced for both leaders why this is the number one threat to both prime minister abe and to president trump. i think the north korean actions were deliberately timed after what was a pretty good week in terms of u.s. policy in asia, with regard to president trump s call with xi jinping and secretary mattis s trip to the region, i think the trump administration said look, we re here and we re not going to be an easy issue to deal with. right now the national security advisor is said to have broke on the law and critics call for him to be fired, for him to step down. how much does that impact the advice that this group can give the president at this time? i think the precedent is going to get advise from a wide range of people, including the folks in the state department, particularly those commitments to china that would affect the finances that north korea has for building these missiles, there may be a statement that comes out of the u.n. security council as well. i don t expect a full-fledged resolution, though. we keep hearing that china is like the lynch pin in all of this. why isn t china tougher on north korea. turning the korean peninsula into a u.s. military ally, a democratic military ally right on china s border. but there s a lot more that china could do, they promised to do so in the last security council resolution, particularly as i said on coal, but in the last order of 2016, north korean coal imports were at a record high, so they re clearly not doing what they re supposed to were referring to. but this is the ninth time they have tried to test this missile. the last two times before the election were unsuccessful, and this was a successful missile launch, and this could mean that they re perfecting their missiles, that they may want to send to iran or others. both japan and the u.s. and it s allies need to focus on and it s the number one security issue. you just brought upp iran an its nuclear missiles. which do you think is the biggest threat. i think the real threat is north korea. iran has a developing nuclear program, north korea has one. they re trying to create a missile that can reach the united states. so i think while the stakes are high in both cases, and there has been a lot of attention paid to the iran case, the north korean case, as president obama told president trump reportedly in their white house meeting is really going to be the number one issue in this administration. thanks for offering your expertise for us. still to come, people in president trump s inner circle are still focused on the numbers from election day. a senior white house official staying on the claim that millions of people voted illegally. so what s their strategy here? plus the fight for the president s travel ban, could a new executive order come as early as tomorrow? and later, sean spicer s tough week from fighting with the press to late-night parodies, does the white house press secretary have a pr problem? that s all ahead, you re live in the cnn newsroom. not back. it s looking up not down. it s feeling up thinking up living up. it s being in motion. in body in spirit in the now. boost. it s not just nutrition. it s intelligent nutrition. with 26 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. all in 3 delicious flavors. it s choosing to go in one direction. up. boost. be up for it. how to brush his teeth. 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yes. not the majority, but it s a few. in what way? in the way we all have this suspicion that, you know, that he s not, he lies a lot. he says things that aren t true, that s the same as lying, i guess. he, you know, 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally, there s a new one about people going into massachusetts. thousands and thousands in a bus, yeah. and, you know, that is not the norm for a president of the united states or actually for a human being. we should note, cnn cannot confirm franken s assertion that a few of his colleagues have expressed thds concerns. former political commentator and communications districtor for ted cruz and the president obviously doesn t want a headline like this out there, even if he thinks it s absolutely ridiculous, how does he combat it? you combat it just by taking it head on. look, it is unequivocal facts matter, and that goes for whether they re spoken by the president, the administration or those in the media. and it s important that everyone be factual. while on occasion, the typical story line may have changed for the president. but for members of the senate, or members of congress to question his mental health, that s uncalled for, that s p p reprehensible and there should not be any of that. to continue, it s just disrespectful and uncalled for in the presidential arena. what do you make of it? i don t know donald trump, i don t think alice knows him, i don t think al franken does, but you know who s been friends with him for years and attended his wedding? howard stern, he said donald trump has a very fragile ego, he wants to be liked, he wants to be loved, he wants people to cheer for him. last time i checked, donald trump was pro abortion. he might be delusional because i love this, i don t know why people don t pick this up. the day after he was inaugurated, he goes to the cia. he said the rain stopped when i came out and spoke, and then the sun came out and then when i stopped speaking, it started raining again. that s ee s either not true, o he s those illegals who allegedly voted for clinton right before they did the bowling green massacre, should have us all concern econcerned. we did hear stephen miller doubling down on the unsubstantiated voter fraud claims earlier this week. voter fraud is a serious problem in this country, you have millions of people who are registered in two states, who are dead and registered to vote, and you have 14% of noncitizens, according to academic research, at a minimum are registered to vote, which is an astonishing statistic. hold on a second, you just claimed again that that was illegal voting in new hampshire from people bussed into massachusetts. do you have any evidence of that? george, go to new hampshire, talk to anybody who s worked in politics there for a long time. everybody s aware of the problems in new hampshire. for the president right now, we re looking at lye pictures as he walks off the plane, air force one back in washington, d.c. when you hear stephen miller come out and continuing to fuel the narrative of voter fraud in the u.s., not just voter fraud, but widespread voter fraud, what s your response? lies, shameless lies, it s pathetic, and voter fraud which doesn t exist is really threatening to republicans because they want to engage in voter suppression and voter id laws against people like african-americans. he can simply say i was mistaken, there weren t illegal votes, look, i won, but i m so set on proving the biggest of everything, that i will now lie and have sean spicer lie and even have stephen miller lie, and he identified voter fraud as being registered in two different states, and you know who else is registered in other states? steve bannon and jared kushner. just because you re registered in two states, doesn t mean you re voting in both states, but there are instances where that has happened and there are cases of that voter fraud, not widespread, however. i think it s important to remember where this began, when there first became questions about voter regularities and russian hacking in the elections, president trump was frustrated, understandably so, because he felt that that was a way to delegitimize his victorv, that s what started conversations about voter fraud. and it s morphed into what we have now about repeated claims about millions of people who voted illegally and voter fraud. i myself don t believe there s evidence of that, i have worked as deputy secretary of state, and these elections are run state by state and it s virtually impossible to have such widespread voter fraud as they re claiming, but that being said, if they feel that, girlfriegive us some sort of evidence so we can have can confidence in your investigation that you re carrying out. if they were to do that they would get a lot more run way. i think it s important to focus on what we saw in the split screen, it was a successful weekend with the japanese prime minister where he worked on building a relationship with them and the ballistic missile test from north korea and showing a united front, those are the things that are positive that he should be focusing on instead of things that not a lot of people have put much faith in. snl had a sketch last night featuring the president having his day in court over that blocked travel ban. let s talk about that issue after we take a look at that sketch. president trump, look, i have read the ban, it seemed rushed even to me, and i decide three court cases in an hour. i see no evidence that it will help. i would like to settle. what? i would like to settle out of court. they always settle pocahontas. i want one day without a cnn alert that scares the hell out of me. so she says, you re doing too much, snl poking fun at how much we have been covering in just the past three weeks. alice, what s your response? i think on one hand it s good that they are following through on campaign promises, they are promise keepers, as the vice president continues to say, a lot of what he told trump supporters, he is following through on that and that s a positive sign and also the measures he made, the executive orders with regard to law and order and safety and protecting our law enforcement officers, those are things that are sorely needed in this country, but at the same time, with regard to the travel ban executive order, they could have taken a little bit more time to make sure that the legalities of that were sound on the front end and make sure all the is were cross and ts were dotted. all of that unfortunately before the courts, we would be in a much different situation. but i do strongly believe the law is on their side with the travel ban, and i think if they rework the executive order they ll be successful and won t face legal challenges if they were to rewrite it and go about it another time. do you agree? no, instead of issuing these executive orders it would be nice if he actually wrote them and didn t rely on steve bannon and stephen miller. and advocate for the purchase of ivanka s clothes and going into nordstrom and all that. but he doesn t know what he s doing, this shows rank incompetence of his administration. i agree with alice, that had they reworked it, that he would have a better chance. but it is an unconstitutional muslim ban, and it was good to see donald trump who s used to election, gets trumped, anonymously, legal ruling 3-0 unanimous ruling. also reminding president trump that there s a judiciary checks and balances and separation of powers and he s not the everyoner. got to get in a break here, appreciate you both in offering your thoughts to us tonight. coming up from political fire works to late night parodies, take a look at sean spicer s rough week as white house press secretary. this is silly, next. okay, thank you, you have asked your question. s. and you can count all the ingredients in flavored almond milk on ten fingers and five toes. it has long been called storm of tiny bubbles, the champagne of beers. if you ve got the time welcome to the high life. we ve got the beer miller beer you may know what it s like to deal with high. and low blood sugar. januvia (sitagliptin) is a once-daily pill that, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar. januvia works when your blood sugar is high and works less when your blood sugar is low, because it works by enhancing your body s own ability to lower blood sugar. plus januvia, by itself, is not likely to cause weight gain or low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). januvia should not be used in patients with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. tell your doctor if you have a history of pancreatitis. serious side effects can happen, including pancreatitis which may be severe and lead to death. stop taking januvia and call your doctor right away if you have severe pain in your stomach area which may be pancreatitis. tell your doctor right away and stop taking januvia if you have an allergic reaction that causes swelling of the face, lips, tongue, or throat, or affects your breathing or causes rash or hives. kidney problems sometimes requiring dialysis have been reported. some people may develop severe joint pain. call your doctor if this happens. using januvia with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. to reduce the risk, your doctor may prescribe a lower dose of the sulfonylurea or insulin. your doctor may do blood tests before and during treatment to check your kidneys. if you have kidney problems a lower dose may be prescribed. side effects may include upper respiratory tract infection, stuffy or runny nose, sore throat, and headache. for help lowering your blood sugar talk to your doctor about januvia. ltry align probiotic.n your digestive system? 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you re equating me addressing the nation here in a tweet? i mean that s the silliest thing i have ever heard. that s silly, next. after that happened here were the headlines, from politico, sean spicer loses his cool with the press. from gq, donald trump can t help but make sean spicer s life miserable. and from the washington post, sean spicer went full melissa mccarthy today. i want to bring in hemedia correspondent. i guess the plus side for sean is that he s the best known press secretary in memory, but the bad side is he s kind of a laughing stock and i don t know how he gets out from under the characterization now, other than actually embracing it. i think being combative is only making it worse. people are saying, wow, he s doing melissa mccarthy now. because this is the trump administration, are people being maybe hyper critical? i think the trump administration is being scrutinized for everything they do, because as you showed in the clip, it seems like every hour there s a new alert, that something is happening, that people are like, just, it makes their head spin. it s a critical eye being turned on it. i don t think you can deny that, and if you re talking about saturday night live, you re talking about the premier satirical entertainment in the country right now that s come into itself again in the biggest way it s been in years, the ratings are spectacular, they had the highest ratings last night than they have had in since years, so it s very successful for them. vanity fair went so far as to call president trump our very own baghdad bob. the press has stated that they don t believe a lot of what he says, because a lot of what he says has proven to be wrong, about fraudulent voting, et cetera. he s having trouble talking, which she may reference, melissa mccarthy, trying to pronounce names and then messing them up. being portrayed as baghdad bob is the worst thing you can say about a press secretary because nothing he says is credible. i can t help but feel bad for them knowing that he is on tv and knowing the kind of scrutiny that is sometimes thrown at you. how has melissa mccarthy s skit been in shaping the public opinion of sean spicer? people don t really know the press secretary, people watched him a little bit, because he made sort of noise attacking the press. she comes out and it was a big surprise, now she comes out and repeats it. it s like pounding him over the head with a sledgehammer. i think he is under duress. i do think it s interesting that he asked about using a water gun with the press, and that would have been a good idea, i would think, because at least they would have said he s playi inin along. playing along with the only way you can fight it. an administrator in the dominican republic got blasted for using a photo of alec baldwin playing president trump instead of an actual photo. i think it s an obvious mistake, but it gets to the place where people are crossing over, the alec baldwin impression is being seen by an enormous number of people. and so some foolish person in the dominican republic made that mistake, but it underscores that there s just not a lot of serious thoughtful stuff going on in terms of the way people are reacting to this president. they re reacting in visceral ways, they either love him or they hate him, it s one of the two extremes. quick break, we ll be right back. baa baa black sheep, have you any wool? 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reagan. the repeal and replace obamacare act. inpenetrable, physical,tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. we will cancel every illegal obama executive order. but though republicans control the white house and both chambers of commerce, they have failed to pass any significant piece of legislation. the obamacare repeal republicans promised for seven years was yanked from the house floor. and the treasury secretary has pushed the deadline for tax reform from the summer to the end of the year. the president s one big accomplishment, the confirmation of supreme court justice neil gorsuch was largely delivered by senate leader mitch mcconnell. in a new nbc news wall street journal poll, confidence has eroded. even on the attributes where he performed best. he s down by seven points since february on being firm and decisive, down six on changing business as usual in washington, that s what we have the white house for. and joining me now, president trump s chief of staff reince priebus. welcome back to the show. thank you for having me. good to have you here. the president did tweet this, on friday, no matter how much i accomplish during the ridiculous standard ohe first 100 days, it has been a lot, including sc, media will kill. and maybe that will be a response to my question here. just before the election, i want to put a he made these legislative promises in the first 100 days, tax reform, offshoring of jobs, infrastructure, school choice, health care, child care, immigration, ethics reform. more funding for the military and dealing with crime and drugs. all of them supposed to be legislative action that was announced, not necessarily the expectation that anybody passed. but only one of those legislative priorities has even come close to a vote. health care. why does he say it is a ridiculous standard and yet promise all this action before leading pundits have said is inexcusable, which is to hold up one nominee after the next to fill secretary positions, wait a second no, no, no. these are nominated. you haven t nominated. you have slowed down. if you had 190 nominations let me finish. i know what the question is, let me finish. even on david shulkin who passed 100 to 0 in the senate, schumer still took up to 30 hours of debate. i ll get to that. we have hundreds of people in the queue. here is what happens when you slow down the nominations. when you slow down a nomination, you can t actually clearomeone for a nomination into the senate. so when you talk about who we have for assistant of secretary at hud or the state department, those people have been chosen. when you choose one of those people, the process is you have to send that person to og clearance, office of government ethics clearance and they have to get an fbi background check. you can t get the clearance for 30 or 40 days after you choose the person. those people are in queue. when they get clearance, they get sent to the senate. we re behind because of unbelievable obstruction from u.s. senators that are acting inappropriately. i don t understand how the democrats have anything to do with who you nominate? the president said, you look at a guy like rex tillerson. the president said the secretary of state has direct authority over the people he chooses to fill the positions within the department of state. if rex tillerson gets picked he gets submitted back in december, he doesn t get confirmed until later in the year or, for example, we have a secretary of commerce that was that was chosen in november, not confirmed until february, that person is going to take the time to choose who his undersecretaries are, those undersecretaries that are chosen need 30 days to go through clearance. i got to move on this is very easy. it doesn t make a lot of sense. how doesn t it make sense? you don t have a nominee you don t have these folks aren t preparing for their own staff to who they re going to decide to bring in office. let me move on here. let me ask you about the government shutwn, run out of money, if a bill isn t passe by the end of the week, your budget director said you want a down payment on the border wall in the government funding bill. if you don t get it, will the president veto the government funding bill? we re already we already have seen progress in regard to getting money for border security within the cr. i m pretty confident we re going to get something that is satisfactory to the president in regard to border security within may not be the wall itself? it will be enough it will be enough in the negotiation for us to move forward with either the construction or the planning or enough for us to move forward through the end of september to get going on the border wall and border security in regard to speaker ryan signed off on this saying it is not going to gum up getting this funding bill done? no. we expect the priorities of the president to be reflective in the cr. so we expect a massive increase in military spending. we expect money for border security in this bill. and it ought to be. because the president went overwhelmingly and are you okay are you okay if the money is not designated specifically for the border wall. if it is zeg zdesignated for bo security. as long as we get moving with an increase in military spending and rebuilding of our military as he promised in one of your bullet points and there is enough as far as flexibility for the border wall and border security, i think we ll be okay with it. we re still negotiating this weekend with the appropriators in the house and the senate. health care, do you have to have a vote this week, are you comfortable if speaker ryan says i need more time to find the votes. i would like to have a vote this week. i think the leadership knows we would like a vote this week. on monday, we re still going to be here working for the american people. whether health care repeal and replace comes on friday or saturday, or on monday, and the grand scheme of things, you know, it is a marathon, not a sprint. we re hopeful for this week. but, again, it is not something that has to happen in order for it to define our success. has the president taken sides in the french election, officially is he unofficially hoping marie le pen gets in the runoff? not at all. he is going to support whoever the winner is, we have a long-term relationship that is historical, with the french people and the french government. and no matter who wins, that relationship is going to continue. he s not his tweet should not be interpreted as him showing preference for le pen? not at all. he may have some opinions as far as who he thinks might win, but certainly doesn t have a preference. and finally, on mar-a-lago other than a right of center person who believes in free markets. can i ask you this? it costs you $200,000 to be a member of mar-a-lago, shouldn t the american people know about anybody that bought a membership to one of those two clubs where they could get access to you when you re with the president on a work trip or the president himself, shouldn t the american people know who those people are, if they bought memberships since the president took office? i don t think it is this is a private business, a private organization, a private club. i don t think that has anything to do somebody decides this is best way to get access to you or the president, there is nothing the american people can do about it. one thing the american people know about president trump is that he is the boss. and, you know, people if you saw in the new york times article today, they listed out 20 different people that have all this access, some folks, president doesn t even talk to. but the president talks to a lot of people. doesn t change his ultimat views. if you go on youtube and look at trade in the 1980s and 1990s, this ishe same person today, he s no different. so while a lot of people like to talk about and argue about who is talking to president trump and who is influencing him to make decisions, it is donald trump. it is his agenda, always his agenda and always will be his agenda. over time, people are going to see he s a guy that will deliver to the american people, putting america first, and making the future better for and across the country. reince priebus, i ll leave it there. a busy week ahead of you. government will stay open? i believe it will. all right. we ll hold you to it. thank you, sir. joining me now is the democratic leader in the house, nancy pelosi of california, leader pelosi, welcome back to meet the press. good morning. my pleasure to be with you, from texas. let me ask you, since you are in a coming from a state that might be impacted by a border wall, is there any scenario that you will support or that democrats will help keep the government open if there is money designated to build the wall? the democrats do not support the wall. and i think the republicans on the border states do not support the wall. the republicans have the votes in the house and the senate. and the white house to keep government open. the burden to keep it open is on the republicans. the wall is in my view immoral, expansive, unwise, and when president says i promised a wall during my campaign, i don t think he said he would pas billions of dollars of cost of the wall on to the taxpayer. let me ask you this, the budget director of the united states said elections have consequences, republicans are in charge. as you just pointed out. there are some democratic spending priorities you want to push for including help make sure that while obama care is still law, it is fully functioning. what is wrong with giving the president his money for a border wall and in exchange for a priority that is not his, keeping obamacare fully functional and funded. as a priority that is important to you. what is wrong with that kind of horse trading in washington? what is wrong with it, that scenario, is the wall. the president talks about how tall it is, who is going to pay for it and all the rest of that. you have to understand this part of the country. there is a community with a border going through it. the president, i think, talking about this wall is expressing a sign of weakness. he s saying i can t control our borters. i have to build a wall. we certainly would like to we as a have a responsibility to control our borders. building a wall is not an answer, not here, or any place. let me move on to the state of the democratic party now. i think there is obviously depends on where you sit on the georgia result, on whether it is a good thing or bad thing for the party, but let me ask you this. is the energy inside the democratic party a bit overstated if john gets the same number that hillary clinton got in that district? not at all. hillary clinton is a famous person, running for president of the united states in a high profile election. john is running in an off year elecon. low turnout and the rest. the enthusiasm for him, young man, georgetown, 2009, very proud of that, and really just someone who has attracted personally such support. he made a remarkable showing. it is about him and the commitment he has made to the people of that district. let me ask you what should unify the democratic party? what should make somebody a democrat and not a democrat? i ask it in this way. there has been a lot of back and forth, especially among abortion right activists about a decision of the democratic party to support a candidate for mayor in omaha, a democrat, who happens to be pro life. and there are some that, at some point, the democratic national committee chairman actually had to put out the following statement, after three days of back and forth, he said, i fundamentally disagree with heath mellow s personal beliefs about women s reproductive health. it is a promising step that the candidate now shares the democratic party s position on women s fundamental rights. each candidate should do the same because every woman should be able to make her own health choices, period. why don t you interview tom perez. can you be a democrat and the support of the democratic party if you re pro-life? of course. i have served many years in congress with members who have not shared my very positive, my family would say, aggressive position on promoting a woman s right to choose. but what you asked the first part of the question before you went off was about what unifies democrats. and what unifies people say all the time, you do such a good job unifying the house democrats. i say, i don t. our values unify us. we are unified with our commitment to america s working families. job creation, about budget policies that invest in the future. good paying jobs. and that s what we would like to see a debat on, vis-a-vis the president of the united states. he promised jobs. show us the jobs. where is his infrastructure bill? there are many promises made, promises broken, and here is the thing, where is the infrastructure bill. president was supposed to have a strong infrastructure bill coming up. infrastructure bill is one of the biggest secrets in washington, d.c. second only to the president s not showing us his tax returns. we need to see those so we can see how his tax policy will affect his own tax situation. we need to see them, so we can see what is the hold that the russians have on him politically, financially, and personally. let me this is about this is about job creation, job creation for the middle class, and working families who aspire to it, that s what unifies democrats. very quickly, i want to show two clips of tv ads that were run against democrats in georgia and montana. take a look. nancy pelosi s liberal agenda put america $20 trillion in debt and jon ossoff is on her side. rob quist talks folksy, but his record is more nancy pelosi than montana. can you trust quist and pelosi with your money? are you at all concerned that you could play an outsized role, that if you re more unpopular in a specific district you could contribute to the loss of a democrat? well, when republicans put forth these ads it shows the bankruptcy of their own initiatives. they should be voters in their district want to know what they are going to do for them. but since you brought item, a u i m glad you did, i think it is important for voters to know who the candidates will be voting with. will they be voting with paul ryan who wants to eliminate the guarantee of medicare? who has voted to privatize social security who is there to dismantle medicaid? and so it is not a question of the person, just as it isn t about the president. it is a question of the policy. so if you want to vote for someone like paul ryan, for speaker, and that is a vote to dismantle medicaid, a vote to eliminate the guarantee of medicare, medicare is a guarantee. you take away the guarantee, you eliminate medicare as we know it. and to move on to private by the way, that those views are shared by the president s appointees to his cabinet. i will leave it there. i have more questions, but never enough time. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views, coming from texas. thank you. thank you. coming up, russia, syria, north korea and elections in france. how is president trump doing on foreign policy? 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i think, look, for one thing, we all love politics, we focus on it every day. so we re watching literally every day he is up, down, on the side. we re seeing lots of trends. i think it s fair to say of those that support the president, they re event horizon is longer, they re taking the long view. i didn t find the poll today to be that dramatic. i kind of thought after the first 100 days he had, not so bad. the big thing was in the tape opening the show. neil gorsuch worked brilliantly, went straight through. implications for a generation. big win. failure legislatively of the health care, obama care replacement. a bit disastrous. now i think what is most threatening at the end of 100 days is the sense of confusion. is the white house talking to congress? is there a tax bill being put together. a sense of wow, what is going on here. i was shocked by those numbers. you look at these unprecedented numbers in a honeymoon period, there is time to recover, but historically no, we don t have their numbers getting better after the honey moon period. majority of americans don t think he s accomplished very much. 44% polarity think that he is less effective than other presidents, and you have a real erosion of his brand, some of his brand and decisiveness and strength. all of those numbers are down, chuck, and if i m the white house, i m looking and i m shocked. and the 25% honesty number, we have never seen that before. let me point to something that you eded to here, paul cain, you will enjoy this. he writes this about the idea of what issue. the model of strategic chaos, worked well in the campaign, but in government it doesn t work. there is a good chance that the week ahead becomes a lot of sound and theory. but not much productivity. that is the issue, and bob can speak to it better than i can, but is he talking to congress? do they have a legislative path out there? it is kind of shocking, but nothing is shocking any more that on friday he says a big tax reform deal, and according to reports surprised even people in the administration. that gets me back to the 100 days of the obama administration or frankly any administration. they say don t hold us to this stupid standard. these 100 days. count it as another flip-flop, but it is ridiculous standard. too bad for him he embraced it all through the campaign up until and including when neil gorsuch was sworn in and he said this was in 100 days. they re all grumbling. they re trying to move on taxes, health care, and trying to keep the government funded. on health care the white house is negotiating with the hardline freedom caucus. on tax reform, they re probably just looking at tax cuts. and government funding, that alone is a major issue for this coming week. peggy, let s say i heard flexible in reince. he was very careful what he said about the border wall. border security. it was clear to me he would never say the word wall. they don t want to add to their problems in the government shut down. it would make no sense for anybody. i don t think that will happen. can i say however that part of the context here, you mentioned it is extraordinary that mr. trump has these numbers in these honeymoon, i don t think he ever had a honeymoon. this was brace yourself. it was nutty from the beginning. and it is a most historical moment and i will just say it doesn t compare well poll wise with other previous moments, that s all i will say. i think that is fair, but we re in a unique unpopular president. he has not been helping and expanding his base. his base is sticking with him, but we agree that he needs to expand that. okay, we will pause the conversation, we have a lot to get to. we ll get to it after the break. when we come back, the president s record on foreign policy and we ll speak with senator marco rubio on that in florida. foreign foreign policy and we ll speak with yeah, at first i thought it was just the stress of moving. 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who set it up? the miami herald said you were involved in setting it up. you since denied it. no, you ll have to ask the white house if there was even a white house, and the former presidents. one who is now is sitting senator. i met with foreign heads of state in my travel abroad. i m not sure what the big deal was. you ll have to ask them. i didn t even know they were in florida. is it something the u.s. government should play a role in deciding whether or not this deal is approved or not in colomb colombia? no, that belongs to the vote in columbia. they have elections in that country and it was accountable to those people there. that s not our issue. what part of it are we being asked to pay for. i have concerns about us, american funds winding up in the hands of farc or former farc officials. i have concerns about farc officials becoming members of congress. those are the things i care about. but ultimately our relationship with colombia is an important one, one i strongly and will continue to strongly support. it is a democracy. their leaders make decisions. that s an internal matter for them. i want to move on here. i want to curious, your colleague, democratic colleague, on the intelligence committee, mark warner, said this earlier this week of trump s foreign policy. in beijing, moscow, tehran, they are recalibrating their strategies, they don t have any idea how trump will respond. that might be great in the short-term. but it is not really a long-term strategy for asserting leadership in a world desperate for american leadership. do find anything to disagree with senator warner on that? well, i disagree in the sense that i guess from that statement it implies there isn t going to be a long-term strategy. i know there is and they re working on it and they have great people working on it. the national security council is going back to the appropriate role, like an internal think tank that designs big strategyive objectives. friday i had a conversation with the folks at the security council about the western hemisphere and their strategy toward it. we had a lot of debates over the last few years about tactics. what is important to understand is you need a strategy and tactics should be driven by the strategy. and i know they re working through it. and i do not anticipate that a year from now, you re going to be able to state same thing and if we are, that will be obviously opportune for criticism. i don t think that s where we re going to be. on this reversal on whether it is nato, the issue of currency manipulation, decision to strike syria, these reversals are in some ways probably comforting to you, on the specifics. but how do you know he won t reverse himself again. if do you just take more comfort in the fact he s coming to the status quo, or are you concerned he could flip again? i said this during the campaign. i think when you re running for president, someone who never held elected office, there is one set of things you may view the world through, the lens you may view the world through. you get elected and get good people and those people bring you the facts, here is what is going on, here are the options, here is what happens if you did this, when you do that. that reality begins to assert itself and you have to react to that you re the president. no longer a candidate, not a pundit, you have to make decisions that have real impact and consequence. i think that s what you re seeing here. you think moving away from the isolationist rhetoric and tendencies as a candidate. i think he s dealing with the reality of our options oftentimes on foreign policy are not a choice between a good one and bad one. you re trying to figure out which is the least harmful of the two. i think that s something we should be encouraged by. not something we should be critical of. this whole flip-flop thing is a political thing, something people use in campaigns. in every other aspect of our life, people change their minds or make different decisions when presented with a set of facts that are different from what they thought. why should that not be the case, especially for something as important as the presidency. does that mean you ll never run a flip-flop ad against an opponent never again? i didn t hear i m half teasing, but if you re saying you ll never use flip-flopping to attack an opponent again. depends on the opponent. fair enough. let me ask about the french elections. it appears that both president trump and former president obama have expressed a preference unofficially if you will. you talked about, look, you re a senator, you meet with foreign leaders, you have an opinion. is there a point that goes too far? i haven t heard the president express a preference. i heard the belief that the terrorists attacks may help a particular candidate. the people of france will decide it. i doubt whether my opinion or the president s opinion or the former president s opinion is going to have an influence over how they vote. there will be a runoff and a runoff between two candidates, looks like, very different points of view, and then the french people wi make a decision and we ll need to react to that one way or the other in terms of how it impacts our relationship with them. but i m not sure that the views of an american policymaker will have much sway. you re the chairman of the intelligence committee, richard burr said there is a lot of evident that the russians are playing a role in the french election, in the same way they did in the u.s. election. are you investigating that as well in the intelligence committee, this overall role that the russians are trying to do in western democracies beyond the united states? i think there is plenty of open source reporting to reach that conclusion and the french will tell you that. i was in france two months ago and they said they re involved particularly in undermining macron, the independent candidate running there. and they re trying to prop up le pen. that is open source as well. taking out massive loans to fund her campaign and political operations. as far as the general behavior of the russians, sure, that s something we re focused on in both foreign relations and in the intelligence committee on an ongoing basis. that s not new. that s always. let me say that i don t think i had any doubt that the active measures have existed for a long period of time. they have been weaponized to a greater extent over the last two or three years because of the ability to use the internet and fake media. multiple committees are looking at that. marco rubio, would love to have gotten to more, but time is of the essence. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. thanks. good to talk to you. coming up, you ve probably seen this picture of the new england patriots at the white house this week. a lot was made over who wasn t there, including a number of african-american players. how fans of different sports view president trump. and this question, in which of these two places are you most likely to find trump supporters? 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(vo) and now try new beneful grain free, simply made with wholesome ingredients, and no grain. fans who are most opposed to president trump s travel ban. by the way, nascar fans are the most in favor. so what does your fan dom say about your politics? if you re a basketball fan, chances are you are a democrat, more likely to live in a major urban or suburban center. nascar fan, probably part of president trump s base? more likely to be or live in rural, southern or conservative america. and most surprising, it is football. it has the broadest fan base and looks the most like america now. it is slightly leans democratic, which may make some sense given hillary clinton slightly won the popular vote. all of it is great news for political reporters. why? especially if you re a football fan. the best way to measure president trump s support this fall, may just simply be to show up at football stadiums. you know that that means? we ll be taking meet the press to lambeau. little frozen tundra action. when we come back, what is more important to democrats, economic justice or abortion rights? it is actually a big fight inside the party now. and good old bernie sanders is right in the middle of it. welcome to holiday inn! whether for big meetings or little getaways, there are always smiles ahead at holiday inn. new republic, why bernie sanders tour failed. why is the chairman of the democratic party appearing with somebody who is not a democrat? well, because they share a lot of the democrat? because they share the same ideals and values. there is disconconnect of what you will see between the grass roots uprising and the energy on the left, and you know, p.p. put out a poll this week showing an 11-point enthusiasm for the democrats, but there is a disconnect, and the democratic party, and the dnc in particular has to work hard to reach out and bring in some of the younger voters and not necessarily democratic voters, but obama voters and bring them back n and it is not an easy job. and they are fighting over the omaha mayor. tom perez spent his entire week having to backtrack on it. you heard nancy pelosi, no, no, no, we welcome pro-life democrats. tom perez takes the position that is something close to a purity test or litmus test saying if you want to be a democrat you have to hold these pro-choice views. nancy pelosi didn t go there. democrats have to work out these politics for themselves. they re going through something the republicans have gone through and arguably are still going through where you have the grassroots, all the energy is on the far left, just as on the right the energy s on the far right. but are you going to win elections like that? that s the big question. there s donor/voter split, too, peggy. it is the real story. i mean, if i can put it this way, those who profit from abortion or health services, women s health services, however you put it, they give a lot of money to the democratic party. democratic party should say thank you very much, but you know what, we re going back to be a big tent party, broad on social issues like this. we are declaring to with your heart, if you truly feel that you can be that you are pro-life, you want to be pro-life and a democrat, go for it. the democratic party has i think been hurt very badly in terms of its national reputation with this narrow sort of you can t be in our party if you don t hold the right views on abortion. it would be a brilliant political move if they opened up. the challenge for the democrats, and i saw this up close when i was in atlanta this week covering the special house election, is how to win over suburban voters, some of these moderate republicans and inpendents in places like chamblee, georgia, where there are young professional going to starbucks, young parents and they re maybe skittish about president trump. at the same time, though, if the democrats want to win over and win back wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, they need that bernie sanders populism energy. so it is a balance a hehead in 2018, the suburban outreach versus the populist pitch. southern suburbia is the battleground for american politics in 2018. it is, and the democrats really quickly, in 2006 when we had a sea change election, we had a lot of pro-choice democrats. you mean pro-life. pro-life democrats. that s going this is an absurd argument for the democratic party to be having now. if democrats are going to have success in these districts where you have, you know, an affluent, college-educated white group of voters, because those are the voirts quite frankly, hillary did better among them and donald trump did worse. if you look at kansas and georgia, there s a double-digit swing and from republican to democrat. now, there s still republican districts and i think we ll do well in georgia, but this ten-point swing should be really troubling going into the midterm. we saw in 2010 there were a lot of fights inside the republican party on purity, and while there were fights inside the republican party, it didn t take away from the bigger win, and maybe that s what democrats end up with, they all have a fight and win. i just think it s better for the country when each party looks like it stands for something serious for some big things but they re not narrow and they re not bought. i agree. please, can someone speak up for the radical middle here? i think it s great if we have competitive districts that could swing back via election. swing voters, you want them back? i want them back. when the republicans won all these state legislatures in 2010 they lost a lot of their farm team. looking ahead, who are the candidates? where is the recruitment? if you shut the door, then you limit maybe people who want to come and run. and the gerrymander conversation. we will talk to dr. mander at some point. we re back in 45 seconds with end game and the o reilly factor . what does the departure of bill o reilly and roger ails mean for the conservative movement going forward? what would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. now you re an expert in less than a minute. this is truecar. at angie s list, we believe there are certain things you can count on, like what goes down doesn t always come back up. [ toilet flushes ] so when you need a plumber, you can count on us to help you find the right person for the job. discover all the ways we can help at angie s list. because your home is where our heart is. think sexual harassment took it right on the chin with the fall of bill o reilly and i m happy about it. there are some that say that all that money means he didn t pay a price. you mean the money he got the payout. the golden chute for it. if you are against sexual harassment, you have to take your victories where you can. i ll quote peggy too. she said pigishness is not conservative. we have to get past where being against sexual harassment is somehow part of the political correctness some partisan category. can we just be against it? i think to quote peggy again, i think that s what the victory was this week. you cannot, though, not look at what s going on over at fox and say, look, bill o reilly and roger ailes, jim pinkerton writes a provocative article at breitbart. he essentially said they understand how to talk to the trump voter before trump figured it out and now they re not there. when you look at barry goldwater and so many conservatives coming up with ronald reagan in the 60s, 70 80s, the republican party, conservatives were ideological. it s become in many parts because of fox news a grievance politics oriented movement, more about political correctness railing against the media than any kind of ideology, and that s where the republican party has found its trouble in recent years. it doesn t have this cohesive ideology anymore. and the question is will that be there anymore. i wish we had more time, but we don t. sorry. before we go, you ll get it on twitter, i promise, we d like to mention that new york women in communications are going to honor my pal over here, savannah guthrie, tomorrow weather the matrix award. thank you. other winners have included meryl streep and gwen ifill. congratulations. thank you. that s all we have for today. we ll be back next week. thanks for coming in. if it s sunday, it s meet the press. you can see more end game
relationship with mr. trump in the summer of 2006 in lake tahoe, the lawsuit claims, and that in october 2016, mr. trump, with the assistance of his attorney, mr. cohen, aggressively sought to silence ms. clifford as part of an effort to avoid her telling the truth, thus helping to ensure he won the presidential election. in exchange, trump s attorney michael cohen wired daniels $130,000 and the arrangement has so far prohibited daniels from giving any details, leading to a series of bizarre talk show appearances like this. did you have a sexual relationship with donald trump? reporter: clifford s lawyer included this hush agreement in the lawsuit, saying it was written by michael cohen. it refers to donald trump under an alias, david denison, and clifford under the name peggy peterson. according to the hush agreement, stephanie clifford came into possession of certain confidential information pertaining to dd, trump s alias, which includes information certain still images and/or text messages. michael cohen goes on to write, included in those are images donald trump previously presented to his counsel to exist. i.e., text messages between p.p. and d.d. in other words, trump told his personal attorney about communications he was having with a porn actress. you can t say whether you have a nondisclosure agreement. but if you didn t have a nondisclosure agreement, you most certainly could say, i don t have a nondisclosure agreement. yes? you re so smart, jimmy. thank you very much. reporter: also new and potentially damning if true is what happened little more than a week ago. the president s attorney tried yet again to silence clifford on or about february 27, 2018. mr. trump s attorney, mr. cohen, surreptitiously initiated a shut her up. how has he attempted to do that? well, he s actually, anderson, attempted to do that by means of a number of steps, including filing this bogus arbitration against her, communicating through her prior counsel, making threats to her relating to what may happen to her from a legal perspective in the event she does not deny allegations of the affair, et cetera. how recent have these threats, in your words, been? these threats continued until in fact, only a few hours ago when mr. rosen, lawrence rosen, the attorney who now purports to represent mr. cohen and the entity e.c., llc, sent e-mail correspondence to me threatening that if ms. daniels continues to talk, she may be subjected to significant additional damages. i want to ask you about this arbitration. you say the that back, i order. and quite honestly, the entire process is absolutely untoward and improper. and to make matters worse, e.c., pursuant to the agreement which, of course, we allege is invalid, e.c. pursuant to that agreement, section 5.1.1, doesn t even have the ability to go in and obtain such a restraining order. that would have to be accomplished by way of d.d., otherwise known as president trump. so, e.c. didn t even have standing to pursue this, which is which is why we find the statement by ms. sanders and i m sure that ms. sanders was not told the truth before she stood at the podium today and made the representation that she did, but we find her statement that president trump has already, quote, won, close quote, this arbitration to be absolutely bogus and baseless. but if they were able to get a temporary restraining order, wouldn t that indicate that they had won that round of arbitration? well, who is they? according to mr. cohen, this was pursued on behalf of e.c., not d.d. or president trump. and if there is one thing we know of the last four to six weeks, it s that mr. cohen and others close to the trump administration have made it clear that e.c. is not president trump. your client did agree to arbitration at the time she signed the agreement, didn t she? she agreed to arbitration, but that agreement fell by the wayside when a party to that agreement, namely, mr. trump at the time, did not sign it. that agreement is null and void. it doesn t mean anything. can you tell us about this arbitration? can you tell us who appeared on michael cohen s behalf you re saying nobody appeared on the president s behalf because this wasn t technically this was just the llc bringing up the arbitration? that s correct. that s to the best of our knowledge. i mean, anderson, at this point, you know about as much about this arbitration as we do because nobody bothered to tell us about it before it happened. nobody bothered to invite my client to the party, if you will, which makes the issuance of this order even that much more curious, that it happened within a matter of hours. all in an effort and i want to be really clear about this all in an effort to keep this matter under wraps, keep it out of public view, hide the facts, and silence my client. there s a pattern and practice that has gofrverned the way my client has been dealt with by mr. cohen and president trump for months. and that pattern and practice, anderson, has continued up until even a few hours ago. an attorney for michael cohen put out a statement a short while ago today saying, quote, the designated judge from the arbitration tribunal found ms. clifford had violated the agreement and enjoined her from among other things filing this lawsuit. have you gotten a ruling have you seen this judge s ruling? we ve seen the temporary restraining order that was earn you d within hours of the filing. i don t know of any hearing that took place. i don t know of any findings that took place. and, again, our position is we don t even belong in arbitration. this matter belongs in a court of law, a public court of law. a court of law owned by the people and open to the public. that s why we filed the matter in a court of law yesterday. we do not belong in arbitration and we re not going to proceed in arbitration. you are also alleging mr. cohen forced ms. clifford to sign a false statement saying reports of her relationship with mr. trump are false. how did he force her? do you have any evidence of that documentation of any sort? there were significant threats made directed at ms. daniels, ms. clifford, that if she did not sign, that various things would happen to her. and i think legally speaking? legally speaking, correct. when and if she provides statement publicly about this entire matter, i think when the truth is known, the general public will likewise conclude that she felt like she had no choice but to go along with the demands of attorney cohen. does it put her credibility, though, in question in some people s eyes? just a few weeks ago she was saying, look, this never happened. now she says it did. well, i think of course it puts her credibility at issue and raises questions about it. i would be absurd for me to claim otherwise. but i think once she actually gives her statement and sits down for an interview and hopefully she will have that opportunity, our position is that we want to give her an opportunity to make her statement, to tell about what happened and then we re going to let the american public decide for their own on their own who is telling the truth and who is pulling the wool over their eyes. it s really that simple. in a moment we ll have the rest of our conversation including his answer to the question, why not speak out fully right now. later, there is breaking news that could spell yet more russia trouble for president trump. new reporting that special counsel mueller has learned the president has asked key witnesses about what they discussed with investigators. details on that when we continue. directv gives you more for your thing. your top-rated thing. that five stars, two thumbs up, 12-out-of-10, would recommend thing. because if you only want the best thing, you get the #1 thing. directv is rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable. switch now and get a $200 reward card. more for your thing. that s our thing. call 1.800.directv chile, what s going on? i m at the el tatio geysers. geezer. geyser. geezer. geyser. enough. geezer. whoaa, wooooo. dude, be careful. i think you should come camping. why would i camp in the atacama desert? oh. 3x points on travel and restaurants on every continent. sapphire reserve, from chase. make more of what s yours. we re talking tonight about what s become the fast moving story regarding the effort of president trump s personal attorney to keep stormy daniels the film star silent about the affair she alleges took place between them. also about the agreement she signed, the payment she got from attorney cohen, and the lawsuit she s filed now to overturn the nondisclosure agreement. before the break i asked daniels attorney why maintain silence on this at all any more. if the agreement is void, why not violate it? you have nothing to worry about if it s not a real contract. why bother going to court at all? in light of the constant threats by mr. cohen and others, my client is concerned and wants a court of law to adjudicate that in fact she is free from the agreement. i mean, we ve already heard threats of a million dollars per incident, per instance where, if my client were to come forward and talk about what happened and tell the truth about what happened, regardless, by the way, they want to ding her for a million dollars whether she tells the truth or doesn t tell the truth. just the mere fact that she speaks in their mind entitles them to a million dollars in each instance. that is one significant threat to say the least. and by the way, we think that is unconscionable and another reason why the agreement would have to be thrown out. the mere suggestion of that is absurd. the lawsuit claims, quote, it s strange credibility to conclude mr. cohen is acting on his own accord without the express approval or knowledge of his client mr. trump. are you referring specifically to the arbitration or cohen s actions at large? anderson, i m referring we are referring to it all. the suggestion that you would have an experienced, educated attorney like mr. cohen who would run off half-cocked without any knowledge of his client that he would negotiate and draft a detailed agreement that included his client as a party, that he would engage in weeks of negotiation, that he would reach agreement, that he would then send $130,000 in connection with that agreement, that he would then later institute an arbitration proceeding without knowledge of his client, all of this to those of us that practice under the law as attorneys, it s ludicrous. isn t it unethical? absolutely. we have an ethical obligation to inform our clients at all times of all material facts. it s one of the basic tenets of what we do. and the idea that somehow president trump didn t know anything about this and that attorney cohen was just running off and doing what he thought was best without any consultation with president trump, it is patently absurd. you do acknowledge, though n your lawsuit, quote, the extent of mr. trump s involvement in these efforts is presently unknown. you don t have actual evidence. this is just a supposition on your part based on, frankly, ethics and common sense. well, here s what i will say. we are not going to disclose at this point all of the facts in evidence that we have substantiating the allegations in the complaint, nor would we have set that all forward in the complaint. i mean, that just wouldn t be smart. but we certainly have more facts in evidence to support the allegation or allegations, i should say, than what has already been disclosed. i mean, also keep in mind the timing of this. we re not talking about an agreement that was entered into at some point in time where nothing significant was transpiring in mr. trump s life. we re talking about an agreement that was being negotiated and entered into in the waning days of the 2016 presidential election. an election that at the time was very close, an election at the time where anything could happen and the slightest miss step could cause a candidate to lose the presidency of the united states. and yet mr. cohen expects the american people to believe that he was running off on his own and entering into this without any consultation with the candidate for the president of the united states? mr. trump? it s not believable. it doesn t make sense. do you view the money that ms. daniels received as campaign contribution regardless of who the money came from, do you view it as a campaign contribute sngs anderson, we don t view it one way or the other. i think individuals that are far more qualified and educated on those laws and regulation s are ultimately going to opine on that. ultimately, if they conclude that in fact it was, katie, bar the door. i don t know where that ends, but if in fact that is the conclusion, i think that president trump and the white house could certainly have significant problems. but again, that s not that s not for us to opine on n. is katie bar the door a legal term? no, it s a southern term. can you explain just in nonleg nonlegalees what ms. clifford wants? most people don t know what a declaratory judgment is. does she want money, freedom to tell her story to other media outlets, is that what this is about? this is about freedom of speech at this point, anderson. there s been a significant amount of misinformation that has been disseminated over the last six weeks. and remarkably, a lot of it has been at the hands of attorney cohen, mr. cohen. my client wants an opportunity to tell her story, to tell the truth about what happened and what didn t happen, to tell the truth about the events not only relating to her relationship with the president, but also the conduct and what she s witnessed the last 12 to 18 months as it relates to efforts to silence her. she wants an opportunity to set the record straight. ultimately, she wants the opportunity for the american people to pass judgment as to who is telling the truth. is it her, or is it mr. cohen? is it her, or is it president trump? is it her, or is it ms. sanders? that s what my client wants. and that s what we re going to fight for. our chief legal analyst jeffrey tubin said the contract reads to him like a form that maybe has been used before. does it seem that way to you? are you aware of any other women who signed similar contracts with president trump? we re not aware of any other women. but let me just say this. in my experience, the way that this was handled and the documentation, quite honestly, this was amateur hour, anderson. this is very, very sloppy. it s very, very messy. it is shocking, quite honestly, that something of this magnitude was handled in this way in the waning days of the 2016 presidential election. i have what is sloppy about it? i have a lot of respect for mr. cohen. i think he s a good attorney in a lot of ways. i don t know the exact circumstances of what happened here, but this is not how something of this importance should have been handled, in my opinion. and just to be clear, ms. clifford is not accusing president trump of any sexual misconduct? that is correct. and in terms finally, where does this go from here procedurally? how long does the president s legal team have to respond? do you have any sense of what the time frame is? well, the defendants in the case have approximately 30 days to respond in court. hopefully we can expedite that. hopefully they ll expedite it. it s no sense in dragging this out. again, i think it s pretty simple. did the president know about the negotiation, the terms, the payment of the money or not? did he sign the agreement? i mean, this doesn t have to be a prolonged process. we should get right to it michael, appreciate it. thank you for your time. thank you, anderson. certainly a lot to talk about there. in just a moment we ll have some of the finest legal and political minds in the business weigh in on a story of adult film star and the president. me ! higher! higher! parents aren t perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything s good again. i m babysitting. that ll be $50 bucks. you said $30 dollars. yeah, well it was $30 before my fees, like the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee. and the rummage through your closet fee. are those my heels? yeah! yeah, we re the same size in shoes. with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four unlimited lines for just $35 bucks each. intrtechnology withnema. incredible color, sound and streaming. just as the creators intended. up to $200 off at dell.com complaint. i mean, that just wouldn t be smart. but we certainly have more facts in evidence to support the allegation or allegations, i should say, than what has already been disclosed. joining me now is jeffrey tubin, kiersten powers and jason miller. all right, jeff. legal aid. legally there is one very important question, which is is this a valid contract in the first place. and because if it is, stormy daniels has a serious problem because, you know, she s portraying herself as a victim here. she took $130,000. and in return for her silence. that s a contract. that s binding if and she could suffer consequence binding even if president trump through this alias did not sign the contract? well, that s the question. if he didn t sign it, then there s no contract. then she can do what she wants. she can say whatever she wants. she did take the money, so she did think there was a valid contract. but the question of whether he signed is very, very important. and, you know, the copy of the contract that was attached to her complaint does not have his signature on it. but, you know, we certainly want to hear from the other side before you make any judgment about whether a signature exists. but if he didn t sign, i think she s free to say whatever she wants. kiersten? well, the thing is the whole reason behind this allegedly, we want to take the trump defender s side. i don t want to put words in your mouth. the idea was maybe she made this whole thing up. it came up right before the election so they paid her off, even though it s not true, it would be bad that it came out. well, we re kind of past that. why not release her from the agreement and let her talk. i mean, it s not it would suggest the reason they don t want to release her from the agreement is because she actually has something to say that s very damaging. that s the only thing i can take away from it now because there isn t any there isn t any reason. it s already out there, right? jason? so, i mean, where is judge wapner when you need him? i m playing that role. okay. so jeffrey is the real lawyer, i play one on tv. i can t speak to the legal side of this. i think two important points here. one, i don t understand and i don t think most people at home understand what this lawsuit is even about. ms. clifford is not asking for damages. this is to go and seems to be to want to launch the second act in her career. so, this all seems kund of puzzling to me. even going back to the campaign, the reason why if michael cohen has and what they are alleging is michael cohen has come forward and made misleading and not true statements and it s unfair in their opinion that she cannot respond and say what actually went on. yeah, and again, i can t speak to any of that. i m not a lawyer and i don t know the nuances and the back and forth. but even going back to the campaign, many of these allegations against the president which i think there are some serious question marks around, here is i think a fundamental point i think everybody is missing. if you re somebody who has a story like this and you re going to go and present it to a major party candidate a week or two before the election, and you re making these allegations against a multi-billionaire, you re going to settle for $130,000? i don t think so. i think it s laughable on its face. i think it s clear ms. clifford is trying to launch a second act to the career now. you re saying it s not true because $130,000 isn t a lot of money? that would be nothing. i think to her it is a lot of money. going after a multi-billionaire? that s ridiculous. maybe she had bad attorneys who settled yeah, most people watching think 130,000 i think $130,000 is a lot of money. but also didn t this happen because reporters were reaching out to her and asking her questions and then also the payments weren t coming in? i don t think she s trying to launch she s fully embracing it, she s doing the media tour, going to kimmel, inside edition, whatever these she s using it to try to launch a second career. i think putting aside this particular narrow legal dispute, one point that i think is disturbing is that the white house really does appear to be lying about the underlying facts. the idea that the white house is putting forward that michael cohen did this on his own without ever informing donald trump is so completely preposterous. plus he says he paid the money himself. what lawyer has ever done that in history? it would be unethical for an attorney to enter into a contract for somebody else without informing that person, wouldn t it? of course. and, at least according to the white house version or at least the michael cohen version, donald trump signed it. he signed the contract, but he didn t know what it was about? like, well, i guess someone is writing a check to some woman for $130,000. i m signing the contract and i have no idea what it s about. i mean, come on, that s ridiculous. also the wall street journal reporter the payment was late according to what cohen told a friend he couldn t get in touch with trump. he did know about it. he complained to friends about not being reimbursed. i think she should be released to speak. i don t know i don t know what the problem is. like, why can t michael cohen just release her and let her say what she has to say? again, that will be for the lawyers to figure out. but going back to the campaign itself, and the only conversations i ever had when we were on the campaign was the president just blanket across the board saying all these allegations were ridiculous and completely untrue. but i think the fact now, again, going back to the point, what really is the goal here? is the goal here are there specific damages being sought? is the goal to try to get attention? i just don t i can answer your question. she is sitting there facing the prospect of a million dollar fine if she talks. so, her lawyer says, let s go to court and get a court judgment that you will not be liable for that million dollars if you talk. i mean that s what you want. let s be clear. when we say talk, it means make money by selling the story. come on. you don t honestly believe this is to go do i honestly believe she would do an interview and not be paid? absolutely. she s already done several and not been paid for it. kimmel would respectfully disagree. do you believe the white house is telling the truth? i have no idea about who at the white house knows what. obviously it s not a phone call that i made today to ask who knows what when, or anything like that. like i said, the whole thing just kind of seems a little bit you re a smart guy. do you think that donald trump would sign a piece of paper saying, i m giving $130,000 to stormy daniels and not say what s this about? i don t think president trump would ever settle or give in he settles all the time. you re saying you don t think he would settle if what? no, i would say it doesn t matter who goes and brings something like this to him. i think on the campaign trail, he very clearly across the board said that these were false allegations and nothing happened. so why did he sign the agreement for $130,000 if he signed it? well, that s why anderson is going to try to get the michael cohen exclusive interview and find out. i can t speak to that. all right. we re going to take a quick break. jason miller, kiersten, jeff tubin, counsel mueller is learning about conversations between trump and key witnesses in the russia investigation. details next. with advil liqui-gels, what bad shoulder? what headache? advil is relief that s fast strength that lasts you ll ask. what pain? with advil liqui-gels when this bell rings. .it starts a chain reaction. .that s heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that s the power of and. breaking news tonight in the russia investigation, word that the president has been asking key witnesses about what they talked about with investigators. this is reporting the new york times, maggie haberman joins me now on the phone. what can you tell us about these conversations, maggie? sure, there are two instances, anderson in the last couple months. one involving reince priebus, former chief of staff, which was relatively brief and one involving don mcgahn which was much more detailed and specific. and i think potentially problematic for the president. basically in one conversation with reince priebus back in december at a luncheon in the west wing with john kelly, the current chief of staff present, the president raised the topic of reince priebus s appearance before bob mueller s investigators and asked essentially if they were nice. and priebus said yes, they were nice and professional. trump i think raised a generic, you know, did they ask about, you know, what s in the news, something to that effect, and priebus i think trying to get out of it said they asked what you d expect and the conversation moved on. that was a brief one. it s not clear if kelly tried to intercede. in the mcgahn incident which happened a couple weeks ago, after mike schmidt and i reported that the president had sought to fire robert mueller last year, president wanted don mcgahn to put out a statement saying our story was false, which mcgahn did not do. the president did that through an aide. he then spoke directly to mcgahn after that and asked him to put out the statement, mcgahn said he would not. and mcgahn had to remind the president that he had indeed told him to fire mcgahn. the president said, well, you didn t threaten to me that you would quit if i did this. and mcgahn said that s true, but i told other senior advisors at the time and our story never said he told the president at the time, but he did suggest that he would have to quit if this went through in terms of firing mueller. this is look, i m not a lawyer and experts we spoke to think this doesn t necessarily imply witness obstruction of justice or witness tampering, but it does go against best practices at a minimum. the president s lawyers have urged him repeatedly to avoid doing things that would create even the appearance of seeking to interfere with this investigation. asking questions like that does exactly that. it s incredible, you know, that he would ask don mcgahn to put out this statement. i mean, i guess the two options are he knew what he had told don mcgahn, he wanted don mcgahn to lie for him. or he had forgotten it or i guess the third one is he just chose to remember it in a different way. right. i mean, it s hard to know, you know, anderson, this president is no stranger to telling lies or telling falsehoods. he is also no stranger to forgetting what he has said before. he is no stranger to casting a remark differently the next time around. i m not in his head. i have no way of knowing exactly what he intended when he asked that question, but mcgahn clearly remembered it otherwise. and most significantly, mcgahn told the version that he was contesting the president over to mueller s investigators and lying to federal investigators is a crime. so, that carries extra weight. fascinating. maggie haberman. appreciate it. coming up next bernie sanders about the chaos in the white house, a lot more when we continue. i m just worried about the house and taking care of the boys. zach! talk to me. it s for the house. i got a job. it s okay. dad took care of us. michaela deprince could pay practically anyone, at any bank, all while performing a grand jeté between two grand pianos. she could. in a commercial. in real life she uses it to pay her sister, from her couch, for that sweater she stained. what sweater? 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stormy daniels. let me respectfully suggest that i do not think stormy daniels is one of the major issues facing our country. i knew you were going to answer that, thought i d ask anyway. where the administration is right now, the people leaving, have you clearly nobody has ever seen an administration like this. the security clearance issues, the infighting. if it s not signs of chaos, what is it signs of? it s signs of a president who is, i think, not fit temperamentally. i say this without any joy in my heart, who lies all the time, who changes his mind every other day apparently based on the last person who spoke to him. so, you have an enormous amount of instability, which is of real concern. and i would hope that my republican colleagues in the senate would begin to understand that and work with us to start moving forward on the important issues facing the american people. and if we do that, i think you ll find trump coming along. but i think we cannot look to this white house for leadership. you supported a tariffs on imported on the 2016 campaign. i wonder what you think about the president s announcement of tariffs. on fox news a moment ago said mexico and canada would be exempt temporarily effective immediately. what i have said over and over again and what i believe is we have a very serious problem in terms of the dee industrialization of the united states of america. we have seen tens of thousands of factories shut down, millions of hard working people, decent people have lost their jobs as fact risk going to china and mexico. there are other reasons. automation plays a role as well. this is an issue that we have got to deal with. i happen to think we need a more comprehensive approach than what trump is talking about. i think the main target of our concern has got to be china. we have a $375 billion trade deficit with china. trump, i think, today, yesterday said he wants to reduce that by 1 billion. that is not enough. china is dumping steel clearly all over the world, and i think china is the major country that we ve got to deal with. i would personally favor the repeal of permanent normal trade relations with china. doesn t doesn t a tariff, a, risk a trade war? and also while it will help manufacturing in the united states, it s going to raise prices on cars, it s going to raise prices on it depends how it is done. but i think that we are in a trade war right now, and we re losing that war. and i think demanding that corporate america start reinvesting in this country rather than in china, you look at your cell phone. i don t believe apple manufacturers any cell phones in the united states. it s all done in china. you can t buy a television manufactured in the united states of america. we have to deal with that issue. and it s not going to be easy. but i think we have to do it in a comprehensive way and demand that american companies are not running to countries where they re paying people 2 bucks an hour while throwing american workers out on the street, that s wrong. there is legislation in the senate that would roll back provisions on dodd-frank. it has bipartisan support, it s going to help community banks, flexible lending. you are opposed to it? i am opposed to do it. what it would do is de-regulate 25 out of the large 38 banks in this country. it amazes me how short memories are in the united states congress. in 2007-2008, this country was hurled into the worst economic downturn in the modern history of this country because of the greed and the recklessness and the illegal behavior of major financial institutions. and what s happened since the deregulation, since dodd-frank, i should say, is we have seen the largest banks become even larger. the cbo, congressional budget office reported just the other day as you will recall, they said this moves us closer to the likelihood of another bank failing. why would we want to do that? banks are now making in general they have made in the last two years record breaking profits. yes, we want to help credit unions and small banks, but banks that are worth 200, $250 billion in assets, those are not small banks. do you think a collapse like we saw in 2008 could happen again? are there enough stopgaps in place? that is precisely what they re doing. they re removing some of those stopgaps. and according to the cbo, it will make it more likely that some of these banks may fail leading to a massive taxpayer bail. let me ask you this. not ask you this. all over the country there are issues on people s minds. whether it s guns, immigration, health care. it amazes me that this is the issue that the republican leadership has put on the floor of the senate. and you know why? last year the financial institutions spent $200 million in lobbying over the last 20 or 30 years, they haven t spent billions of dollars on campaign contributes. this is the corruption. what you re seeing is the corruption of the american political system, big money rules and the needs of ordinary people get ignored. during the campaign hillary clinton went after you for your position on guns. you re from vermont where a lot of people hunt. do you think there is actually going to be movement on some form of gun control? i would hope to god there is. and what we re seeing all across this country is people saying we cannot watch tv any more and see our children shot down by some lunatic with an assault weapon. so, clearly what we have to do and this is not just me talking. this is what the american people want. they want expanded background checks. they want to end the so-called gun show loop hole where you can walk in and without any background check come out with an ak with an assault weapon or semi-automatic weapon. without a background check. they want to end the so-called straw man provision where you can buy guns legally and sell them to criminals. i happen to believe and i believe for 30 years we should buona salt weapons. there is a smaller majority of the american people who support that. but be that as it may, gun owners, nongun owners understand that the status quo is untenable. we ve got to do something. i hope that we will do it. and again, one of the things i am upset about is that this banking bill is built for big banks is now on the floor of the senate. we re not talking about guns. we re not talking about the daca issue. we have 1.8 million young people eligible for daca. some of them may start being deported so the american people don t want that. we re not talking about that. senator sanders, appreciate your time. there s much more ahead including the lawsuit filed on behalf of stormy daniels against president trump. more news on the mueller investigation and more news. we ll be right back. at when youe spending time with the grandkids. music tech: .every minute counts. and you don t have time for a cracked windshield. that s why at safelite, we ll show you exactly when we ll be there. with a replacement you can trust. all done sir. grandpa: looks great! tech: thanks for choosing safelite. grandpa: thank you! child: bye! tech: bye! saving you time. so you can keep saving the world. kids: safelite repair, safelite replace but he hasoke up wwork to do.in. so he took aleve. if he d taken tylenol, he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. you wouldn t feel good not knowing the price here. don t let it happen when you buy your diabetes test strips. with the accu-chek® guide simplepay program, you pay the same low price. all without having to go through insurance. plus, they come in a spill-resistant vial along with a free meter. skip the guessing game and focus on your health. not the cost. make saving simple today at simplepaysaves.com.
footsteps trying to follow your lead for how to extract information from this man. we have double-teamed him, as has the world on this question of where did you get the information? and what strikes me as so interesting today, no reporters have caught up with that. there s no report in the new york times, the washington journal, the washington post, no one has figured out where michael avenatti got all this banking information about michael cohen. and we ve got little pieces of it and prospects of little piece of it. we have news organizations, including nbc news saying they too have seen financial documents that corroborate what michael avenatti reported p p we have these big companies corroborating what he reported saying yeah we paid that money to michael cohen. now we have the treasury inspector general reportedly investigating to find out if somebody released suspicious reports from the banking sector and if that s the way he got this information. if that s the way he got it, and the news organizations got it, it might be a legal problem for whoever leaked that information in the first place. i got to think we ll figure it out, but not before we get more revelations about what michael cohen does for a living. i think michael cohen s lawyers might force michael avenatti to tell us, that s what they were asking for in court today. i was very pleased to see my math checkout because i had done this calculation about an hour before michael avenatti did it on your show where he pointed out that the amount of the amounts that are in dispute in his reporting are $20,000 out of what he said was 3.5 million. he said that was 99.3% accurate. there s actually 4.5 million in the total flow we know about now. so that makes michael avenatti s number 99.6% accurate, which i had figured out all on my own before michael avenatti said that. it is an i mean, tactically it s an interesting thing to take a document that s been substantially admitted to, at&t and the company associated with the russian oligarch, saying yeah that s all true. so it s a tactically interesting move to say the part of it we have issue with is the $700 that went through the kenyan bank account. tactically it s interesting. that will be the way the right and maybe cohen s lawyers in court seize on this document trying to discredit it. and it makes me all the more curious as to where the information came from. because clearly some of the information is definitely true and it m seems like some of it might not be true. it s weird to get a mixed bag of half true and half untrue information or 99% true and 1% untrue information. michael avenatti is clearly driving michael cohen s lawyers crazy because they rushed into court today with this document which basically said he s more than 99% right but we re really, really angry we re really angry about this less than 1% he got wrong and he should be slapped on the wrist for that and forced to reveal where he got that. that s an understandable pleading. i can understand legally why they made that pleading, but they ran the risk, which they did, of completely confirming all of the big transactions in the bank records. and making that document and those allegations about michael cohen s business life part of that case. the only reason a document released by michael avenatti would end up in that case is because michael cohen s lawyers made it that way. the only hook they have have to go after avenatti with the judge is that avenatti sought at one point to join that case. he did not join that case. he s not associated with the case, he s not a party in the matter. yet they re asking the judge to reach out beyond the inl of the case to go after him on this. all they re doing is succeeding in moving these damning allegations into the center. these are the things when you talk to michael avenatti the errors that he forces them to make. that s what that pleading in federal court in new york looks like to me. he s a sure footed man. thanks, lawrence. thanks, rachel. it s like every day since michael avenatti entered his life, a crazy day for michael cohen. mr. cohen how are you doing today? doing great. thank you. my comment about michael avenatti? in response? any response to avenatti? his document is inaccurate. how do you feel about you may have changed an election? people who ve known michael cohen a long time tell me this is what he s always wanted. to be a celebrity. a celebrity in sunglasses surrounded by the paparazzi. that s why he wanted to be in trump world. he wanted to be at least near a celebrity, donald trump. that s what people who knew him before he knew donald trump tell me about michael cohen. and so, the good news for michael cohen, is finally paparazzi are gathered outside his door. so he loves that part. that s why he walks you out of the hotel and says good morning to the awaiting cameras and when asked how is he, i m great, as if he s a movie star on the oscar s red carpet. and for that second, michael cohen is standing on the tip of the highest peak he s ever been on in his life. way up there in the thinner air of his very own celebrity. and then, in the next second he s brought crashing back down to earth by the two words that have made him such a celebrity, michael avenatti. any comment about michael avenatti? any response? and michael cohen, coming as close as he can to speaking grammatically correct english says, his documents is inaccurate. and for once michael cohen is right. the documents that stormy daniels lawyer, michael avenatti presented to us on this program last night showing $4.5 milli $4.5 million going into and out of the llc that michael cohen created in order to pay stormy daniels $130,000 to keep her quiet, those documents contain some minor inaccuracies that michael cohen has been owning up to as soon as they were discovered. sitting here last night michael avenatti described $4,425,033.46 that flowed through essential consultants l.l.c. and michael cohen s bank accounts. the flow of that money contains possible inaccuracies about four transactions, amounting to $20,583. so that makes michael avenatti s document 99.6% accurate. one of the inaccuracies in michael avenatti s document was a wire transfer from kenya to michael cohen for $980, but it was not michael cohen, the man who has said he would take a bullet for donald trump. it was a 26 year-old israeli named michael cohen, who told nbc news, i am an aveonic technician in ll airlines. the 26-year-old michael cohen said he had no idea how the mixup could have occurred but he s been getting lots of attention. my whole family was surprised. friends called me, it was a crazy day. it was a crazy day because of michael avenatti s 99.6% accuracy of the flows into the accounts of the man who has always called him donald trump s fixer. last night michael avenatti told us there were possibly more payments than he discovered and today that was proven true. michael cohen showed a farm pharmaceutical company. the company or michael cohen seemed intent on recording on something less than $100,000 a month. each payment was $99,980. all the companies involved with michael cohen are now offering explanations of why they funneled massive amounts of money to with a man with no no skilled, a man who couldn t even successfully execute a pay to a porn star to stay quiet about the most embarrassing sex of her semi-public sex life. the corporate payments to michael cohen are the very definition of filling the swamp with money. the washington influence swamp that donald trump lied about to his voters when he promised to drain that swamp. at mntt paid michael cohen $50,000 at the beginning of the presidency in the hope that michael would convince the president to support at&t s merger with time warner. at&t failed to get support for the merger. but who knows what else they got with their michael cohen money with regard to the myriad of regulations that affect their business. novartis tried to blame their former ceo last night but we learned much more about the novartis deal today. michael cohen reached out after the election and promised access to the new administration. novartis said they paid michael cohen $100,000 a month for advice on u.s. health care policy matters. and according to sources at the company, novartis had exactly one meeting with michael cohen three months into the deal. and by the end of that meeting, they realized they were wasting their money. one un-named employee said, quote, they decided not to really engage cohen for any activities after that. the employee continued. rather than attempt to cancel the contract, the company allowed it to lapse early in 2018 and not run the risk of ticking off the president. it might have caused anger, this person said. if they cancelled that contract when they discovered that president trump s friend, michael cohen, was absolutely useless to them. new reporting in the washington post tonight quotes michael cohen as saying, i m crushing it when all the money was pouring in. and now it is apparently crushing him. the washington post reports as he s facing mounting legal bills michael cohen refinanced his park avenue condominium in recent days. everyone tried to get the answer to my first question to michael avenatti last night which is how did he get this information about money flowing to and from michael cohen? no reporters have figured it it out. but michael cohen s lawyers may have figured it out. in a letter to the judge in considering how to handle michael cohen s case, they said that, quote, michael avenatti appears to be in possession of some information from mr. cohen s actual bank records. he should be required to explain to this court how he came to possess and release this information. and we re going to be right back with more discussion of this with our panel. riends. and we got to know the friends of our friends. and we found others just like us. and just like that we felt a little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that s going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. with dell small businessout your technology advisors you get the one-on-one partnership you need to grow your business. the dell vostro 15 laptop. contact a dell advisor today. at a comfort inn with a glow taround them, so people watching will be like, wow, maybe i ll glow too if i book direct at choicehotels.com. who glows? just say, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com. he was hired for one reason and one reason only, and that was he was selling access to the highest office in the land. at best that s what he was doing. at best. and ultimately, robert mueller or myself or someone else will get to the bottom of exactly what he was selling, and perhaps more importantly, rachel, where did all of this money go? that was michael avenatti talking about michael cohen with rachel in the last hour. we re joined now by ron klain, former chief of staff and a former senior aid. barbara mcquade, former federal prosecutor, and deanna fill la pain co, a form investigator. ron klain, the speculation continues of where michael avenatti got this information. there s one expert quoted in one report saying that this is the kind of information that could be obtained from one of those suspicious activity reports or from a series of suspicious activity reports about bank transactions but so far it s michael avenatti leading the way on this. it is. and, you know, he will, i imagine that judge wood will order him to disclose the source of this information and he ll have to do so. if indeed it did come from an illegally disclosed sar, the person who disclosed it will be in trouble. as you said earlier the fundamental point from the broader perspective here is the information he put forward turned out to be 99.6% accurate. who could have imagined just a few days ago that the single least slimy transaction would be paying a former adult star $130,000 to be quiet about her affair with the president. what is piling up is a powerful tale of corruption and undisclosed payments. where they came from, particularly the payments from the russian oligarch, are troubling and there s a lot more to come out about that. the explanations from the companies about why they spent money with michael cohen vary in, i guess, laughability in a way. so the company backed by the russian oligarch is claiming that there s no russian influence whatsoever here. there s no reason to claim that. and then the reasons they give for paying michael cohen have absolutely nothing to do with anything michael cohen has ever done in business. absolutely. i mean, the statement that we ve had from columbus nova is that these were payments made for investment advice. this is not consistent with what michael cohen has been engaged with. when we pair the statement from columbus nova with the other companies we see there s great inconsistency in what they re saying the services were from michael cohen. this raises a red flag in my mind because if you re typically a bona fide company if michael cohen was providing consulting or lobbying advice you would expect to have consistent services you re offering. here we have an array of different clients that are, you know, providing different reasons for why they engaged his consulting and advice. barbara mcquade, i m particularly struck by the way the story has unfolded with novartis. first of all last night we all heard the statement they issued saying this deal was done under the ceo who no longer works here, disowning it as much as they could. today it was revealed after three months of paying michael cohen $100,000 a month, there was no business reason to do so but they were afraid to stop paying him because they were afraid of the reaction of the president of the united states. so they went on to pay michael cohen an additional $900,000 because they were afraid, in effect, of retribution from the president of the united states. zb zb yeah, some red flags here. first the shifting stories. they issued a couple of statements. and then the fear of retribution. it may be something they assumed themselves without any warnings from someone else. so i want to be careful not to make allegations at this stage. but as a prosecutor investigating this, is this some sort of pay to play scheme? in some of the cases my former office investigated against a big city mayor, the mayor was surrounded by all kind of consultants and you had to pay the consultants in you wanted access to the mayor and consideration of your business being done in the city. so there s some concern maybe that s what s going on here. it s bribery if it s aufroffered it can be extortion if it s demanded. that s certainly something i would think robert mueller might want to look at. or the public corruption unit at the southern district of new york, which is assigned to this case. perhaps the most ridiculous reason for paying michael cohen, the winner of that goes to at&t, and part of the reason they released publically was, it was to pay for an understanding of the inner workings of trump, his thought process, how he likes to operate, how he likes to make decisions, how he process information. ron klain, i guess they never watched the apprentice and read a world available in the press about donald trump. they were paying michael cohen $50,000 a month for a look inside the mind of donald trump. and six months into paying that, this book came out, from michael wolff, 30 bucks could have saved that half, at least, of the $600,000, they pay to michael cohen. as the old joke goes the inner workings of the mind of donald trump would be the shortest book ever written. i don t think they needed to pay $50,000 a month for that. i think that raises a lot of questions. i think the payments from the kore korean aerospace company raise questions as does novartis. the most troubling is the russian oligarch, we don t know whatever advice was being sought there. and it s against the story of various russian efforts throughout 2016 to work with the trump campaign to try to influence our election. that s the one thing here, lawrence, all the red flags is the reddest of the red flags. dionna your reaction to that? absolutely. i think what s also interesting with the payment made by the vekselberg company, is there was a contribution to the trump inaugural committee, $250,000 paid, so this fits the trend we re seeing. the company put out a statement it s owned by americans, it s an american based company. we have to ask who s exerting the ultimate control over the company and directing the actions being made. we have information that they ve been very influential in the actions of columbus nova. so the pattern of seeing the vekselberg entity made to trump before, it raises questions what they intend for this particular payment was. barbara mcquade, michael avenatti keeps saying the recurring chorus from him is he wants the suspicious activity reports on michael cohen released, he believes they should be made public now. can they be made public now is one question, but the other part is, what is it that michael avenatti believes? it s as if he knows something in there, and something in there will create a new round for this story? first of all, i don t think they can be released p p they re private documents, law enforcement sensitive. these are documents the banks file with the law when they view something in a bank account and they can be viewed by law enforcement. i don t think they can be released by the treasure department or michael cohen, i don t think he has access to them. why is michael avenatti pushing to have those suspicious activity reports released? i don t know. i wonder if there isn t additional information in them or he is bluffing knowing no one will release them and he can point to this is more effort to cover up what s going on here. i don t know what his end game is. i imagine he s trying to put pressure on president trump to resolve his lawsuit with stormy daniels. but i do worry that all of these things in the public domain could be harming robert mueller s investigation. he is no doubt several steps ahead of all of us but this could be tipping off people causing them to tamper with witnesses or evidence. thank you all for joining this discussion. really appreciate it. coming up the latest michael cohen scandal is now moving in more interesting directions every day. but i ve got an idea. get domo. it ll connect us to everything that s going on in the company. get it for jean who s always cold. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew. give us the data we need. in one place, anywhere we need it. help us do our jobs better. with domo we can run this place together. well that s that s your job i guess. better than all the rest applebee s new bigger bolder grill combos. now that s eatin good in the neighborhood. and a quiet interior from which to admire them. the lincoln spring sales event is here. for a limited time get 0% apr on the lincoln mkx. plus get $1000 bonus cash. led california s fight ofor clean, renewable energy.or he cleaned up pollution at the port of l.a. and created more good-paying jobs. antonio villaraigosa for governor. because antonio villaraigosa millions got it done.healthcare he defended women s healthcare, banned military-style assault weapons, banned workplace discrimination, and more. antonio for governor. . we will drain the swamp. according to a new report, the trump swamp is now crawling with at least 187 former lobbyists who have been appointed to positions inside the trump government and thousands of lobbyists outside of the trump government profiting from the trump swamp, including huge profit tiers like michael cohen, who never registered as a lobbyist but was in effect being paid as a lobbyist of some sort. when fired trump campaign manager corey lewandowski set up the lobbying shop in washington his partner said they had more clients than they could handle and they had to turn some away. and president trump is creating new openings for lobbyists, like threatening tariffs that lobbyist then try to get exemptions from for companies and countries. and the same thing is happening with president trump threatening to impose sanctions on companies doing business with iran. that means hundreds of millions of dollars of lobby fees will be paid. in a new report from the washington journal, michael cohen helped a law firm recruit a corporate client with ties to jared kushner s family company. among five companies michael cohen delivered before the firm terminated the contract with him was u.s. immigration fund llc, which last year organized a trip to china for several kushner officials, including his sister to seek investors for commercial and residential towers in jersey city, new jersey in exchange for residency visas shathat would aw the chinese investors into the united states. joining us now is david frum and matt miller. david frum, the michael cohen saga is but one window into what has truly become an unprecedented size swamp that the trump swamp now is. the question i think you have been asking the past half hour and that rachel was asking for the last hour before that, is a variant of an episode from the old sew soprano show. the thing that got you into the most trouble was not kicking up, you got the fat envelope full of cash, you took your piece of it, and then delivered the thicker envelope to the next ranking person in the organization. that s the thing everyone is struggling with. donald trump hates people making money off him without sharing. michael cohen made a lot of money very fast, did he kick up? and that s exactly what michael avenatti has been suggesting in our discussions. matt miller here s a president who creates opportunities for lobbyists unlike anything we have ever seen, even when he apparently randomly decides to attack a company on twitter for whatever its legal business is on the united states. what happens for the lobbying bills for that company the day the president launches a twitter attack on that company? if you look at his influx of business you have to look at what was happening in the transition. the president was attacking companies and every time that happened, all of these companies were scrambling trying to figure out what to do in response and every major company in america was trying to figure out what to do to head that off. in the middle of that, michael cohen comes cold calling ceos and offers what is potentially a protection racquet. i will introduce you to people in the trump world. there s the old-time influence peddling, trying to make introductions, and then there s the new era of the trump world, you have a president out bullying companies in public and someone offering, to use the w analogy, if you want these attacks to go away, hire me. let s listen to what eric swalwell told ari melber today. any tree that you shake in this trump forest, a russia falls out. the president is in a position where he and his lawyer are deceiving the american people. and a president who lies is a president who is weak. david frum here we see in the michael avenatti massive flows of money, of course, standing behind one big pot is a russian oligarch. right. and we have discovered that beginning in about 2006, the trump organization suddenly seemed to have a lot of catch to spend but spent it in weirdly unwise ways, on money-losing golf courses. there s the question of where do these flows of very large money into the trump organization come from? we shake the tree and we think we know the answer. matt miller in terms of what we re seeing michael avenatti unearth every other week it seems there s something kind of extraordinary coming from him, who s feeding off who here? is avenatti working off of what appear to be fruits of federal investigations or is he feeding the federal investigations? i think it s probably a little bit of both. we know he s been cooperating with the investigation in the southern district of new york looking into potential company finance violations, he said that publically. but it does appear the release he made yesterday was probably the result of an internal federal investigation i would suspect from the treasury department, possibly leaked from the justice department but most likely leaked from the treasury department. it does lead you to ask the question, are other people coming forward? there are whistle blowers in the private or public sector who might look at michael cohen now as someone out taking on the president and saying this is someone i can bring information to, he ll take it public, he s not afraid to back down, but he s someone i can share damning information and make sure it gets in the right hand. one thing i learned about michael avenatti is he always knows more than what he tells us in any given round. you can feel it when he s sitting here and talking to you. last night he was very clear about having information about where the money went. last night s discussion and today s discussion with him has been the money that has come in to michael cohen. he seems to know something about where the money went and he has in effect promised that s the next chapter of this story for him. i ve been woring for a long time, worrying and hoping, the united states government is in the grip of an auto immune disorder. all through the government there are people seeing things that are not appropriate for the president of the united states to do, worse than not appropriate. and what do they do about that? well, many of them, as we ve been suggesting here, they are doing things that aren t appropriate for them because the system is reacting to this alien intrusion of something it s never seen before. and it s shedding information in directions where it thinks it can do some good for self-protected purposes. there are enduring systematic ethical and institutional questions. how do you carry on the government if people develop these habits of leaking in order to protect the country from leaders they see as improper. matt miller, as i say, it does sound like the next chapter for michael avenatti is where that money went and he is strongly suggesting it didn t all go to michael cohen. whoever provided him the information about michael cohen s bank accounts clearly was able to see what money was coming into the bank account, there s no reason to think they wouldn t be able to see where that money was going to when it left his bank account, whether it was going to finance his other businesses or to someone else in the trump organization, the trump world, maybe trump himself. there s no reason to think the person that leaked that doesn t have that knowledge. thank you both. next, donald trump s pick for cia director contradicted donald trump in her senate confirmation hearing. that s next. coppertone sport. proven to protect street skaters and freestylers. stops up to 97% uv. lasts through heat. through sweat. coppertone. proven to protect. hais not always easy. severe plaque psoriasis it s a long-distance run and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over ten years. it s the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. more than 250,000 patients have chosen humira to fight their psoriasis. and they re not backing down. for most patients clearer skin is the proof. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems. serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. join over 250,000 people who have chosen humira. ask your dermatologist about humira & go. vo: they want more out of life in every way. so they re starting this year s garden with miracle-gro potting mix and plant food. together, they produce three times the harvest to enjoy. and of course, to share. this soil is fresh from the forest and patiently aged to guarantee more of what matters. every time. three times the harvest. one powerful guarantee. miracle-gro. yes, i m in favor of water boarding. okay. would i approve water boarding? you bet your ass i d approve it. you bet your ass. in a heartbeat. i think water boarding is excellent but you have to go further than water boarding. as far as i m concerned you can go a lot stronger than water boarding. than you like. don t tell me it doesn t work. torture works. only a stupid person would say it doesn t work. it works. here s the president s nominee to be the next director of the cia, gina haspel at her hearing today. the president has asserted that torture works. do you agree with that statement? senator, i i don t believe that torture works. i believe that in the cia s program, and i m not attributing this to enhanced interrogation techniques. i believe as many people, directors who have sat in this chair before me that valuable information was obtained from senior al queda operatives that alloweds to defend this country and present another attack. is that a yes? no, it s not a yes. we got valuable information from debriefing of al queda detainees. i don t think it s knowable whether interrogation techniques played a role in that. and then the question that ended up deciding senator john mccain s position on gina haspel. do you believe the previous interrogation techniques were immoral? senator, i believe that cia officers to whom you referred it s a yes or no answer. do you believe the previous interrogation techniques were immoral? i m not asking do you believe they were legal. i m asking do you believe they were immoral? senator, i believe that cia it s a yes or no did extraordinary work to prevent another attack on the country given the legal tools please answer yes or no. do you believe, in hindsight, those techniques were immoral. what i believe sitting here today, is i support the higher moral standard we have decided to hold ourselves to. can you please answer the question. i believe i have answered the question. no, you have not. do you believe the techniques now armed with hindsight, do you believe they were immoral? yes or no? senator, i believe we should hold ourselves to the moral standard outlined in the army field manual. you ve not answered the question, but i m going to move on. senator john mccain was watching at home. that was all he had to hear to decide his position on this confirmation. gene robinson and nick christophe join us with that next. makes the complex simple. 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truman ass the nat 1 on thef korean war. quote what we are doing in korea is this. we are trying to prevent a third world war and this may be a turning point for a search in a practical way of achieving peace and security. and that mission goes on. eve ael tucker carlsonight. it tns out the doj failed to dictate the final result of the 2,018 presidential election, but a year and a half into the trump administration the justice department still seems to at times be operating as a shadow government, a place that considers itself beyond the reach of normal oversight. back in the real world, congress has the explicit constitutional power to oversee the fbi and a othercutincies, less weight supposed to work. apparently that fact infuriates the deputy attorney general rob rosenstein. earlier this year in january, rosensteinhreatened to appeal the email sent on staffers because of her being too aggressive. the message from rosenstein, back off. you don t investigate us, we will investigate you. fox s chief correspondent catherine herridge broke that story and she has more on it tonight. speak of the emails written on government accounts formerly documented the january meeting for the house office of general counsel. the tough lawyer for protecting congress. fbi director christopher wray, their senior advisors as well as house intelligecommittee chairman devin nunes and his senior staff. it came at the height of alleged government surveillance usage viewed at the trump campaign. today they responded to allegations and rob rosenstein threatened to subpoena records and turn the tables on republican-led house intelligence committee and staff over the russia case. it is deeply concerning them are under subpoena in the opening and is an obstruction of justice. tucker? tucker: thank you for breaking that story in the first place. is nothe o example of theavior doj apparently viewing itself as beyond beyond normal oversight. months ago, we discovered that fbi agents peter strzok and other page were using their personal views intruding on their law enforcement duties. how far will that go into wells may be involved? the public has a right to know that but we don t because the doj keeps trying to censor the text messages before relisting them. here s one example. in a september 2015 text, he maintains about the handling of a case but the exact route complaint was her exact stomach rejected. thanks to work by senator ron johnson s office, know that he wanted to quote bargain away everything and that it had a quote stockholm syndrome. and how they did everything they could to avoid bringing crges against any of clinton s team. what is clear, is that nothing he said was a security threat that would require a reduction in order to protect the country. the doj was just trying to cover itself from keeping the public from learning the truth about what was going on, is not a defense? professor, it s a very simple question. is the department of justice allowed to redact information solely for the purpose of protecting its on reputation? it is not, even though it has a long history of doing so, not just in congress but in the courts. what s really funny is, they will charge somee who gives the misleading information, but they will tell congress that they rejected classified information that proves entirely unclassified. there is this sense of acting without her impunity, when you redact these types of documents. and that material is classified under any defition. they can disagree with chairman nunez, they can disagree with the white house, but they should all agree on the fact that this is an improper use of reduction. r: and it s been going on you set for quite some time, so this is basically the status quo, not a new way of ing business? unfortunately it is. i ve been counseling security cases against the government, and i have redacted to the courts that it s clearly not classified. and, n disputesharob rosenstein went over to the congress and threatened to subpoena the personal communications of members there. have you ever seen anything like the relationship betwe sugge the doj and the oversight committee these committees have not had a robust oversight record. they often roll over. this is something new, and frankly, those of us who wanted more oversight have welcomed the last year. finally you have a committee ying, wait. and threatening weather it s criminal or civil, staffers mbers, it s clearly inappropriate. i can understand that rosenstein may have felt he was being mistreated, but that doesn t matter. you have to get over it. congress created the department of justice, this isn t personal. it isversight buss. so no matter how aggrieved you may be, you cant speak to an oversight committee and threaten those staffers with taking something like subpoenas to their doorstep. tucker: congress does have oversight over the executive agencies, including the department of justice, correct? i mean, you watch the other channels and would think that was something that the right-wingers made up last week. but that s a constitutional principle, am i right? that s absolutely right and you shouldn t pick fights with people with ersight power. tucker: yeah, i guess you shouldn t. professor, thank you very much. dana goldman isme federal precutor and he joins us. thanks for coming on. my pleasure, thanks for being here. tucker: so this is a good point, and one i ve heard others make before. this is been going on for a long time, not just this administration by previous mions, where the department of justice withholds informatn from congress claiming it s classified, and when unredacted, it turns out to be not classified. they were lying. why would anyone defend that practice? these things can often be subject to interpretation, and the prosecutor may have se belief that an initial stage that they are, or the department of justice may have a belief that things are classified out there in relation to that case or other cases, or they may be some theory that it is classified and the defense attorney disagreed and said it s not classified. ultimately, a judge decides it. this is no different than tucker: let me give you an example. this is a little bit different. for example, the trump department of justiceithheld this information from the congress that andrew mccabe spent $70,000 on a conference table. now you could argue that he had a right to do that or it was appropriate or whatever, but you can t argue that that information itself is classified are critical to national security. why would anyone def that? you are trying to hone in on one particular reason why things are redacted,orshould not be. the one what would be the justification for him rejecting spending 70,000 on a conference table? i don t know, and i don t know the detailed circumstances. but the point that i would want to make to you and listening to jonathan turley as well, we are looking at these as reductions and loot these of the overght role into the department of justice. you have to draw a clear line between investigations that are over such as the clinton email investigations, and investigations that are ongoing such as the trump russian investigation. there is a long-standing practice that the department of justice does not give over information relevant to ongoing to congress, and that is sometuse intelligence committee, through the use of their purported overght role has sort of done away with and tryo get it. tucker: it when you say purported oversight role, do they not have oversight role? if they have an oversight role. tucker: what do you mean purported oversight role? they are using the guise of their oversight role app to ask for information that either they should not get, or that they tentially and by accounts coordinated wit the white house and others who aren t subject of the investigation. that s entirely improper. tucker: i understand you are a partisan involved in the parts and debate, but take three steps back. there is a public interest here so we know that the last administration had a paid informant spying on at least ree members of the trump campaign. maybe there was a good reason and maybe there wasn t but the fact is, it was true. and the fact is that shakes they of tepartment of justice. so why wn tesponsible people do their very best to explain why that happened as soon as they possibly could and calm public fears if the system is corrupt? because the public believes it including me. why wouldn t we want to know why that happened? i am not partisan. i think that people who use the term spy in the context of a confidential informant are doing only for partisan reasons. when you are going down that road ofsing a spy, tucker: what i doing is speaking english and what you re doing is carrying water for a political party. i m saying they gathered information without the knowledge of the people they re speaking to. what happens in thousands of investigations across country. tucker: it may, but it doesn t again so the question, which i think i have a right to know, which is, why did that happen? is not normal. you don t have the right to know, e investigations are confidentifb investigare confidential f very important reasons includi the protection of people who aren t charged and the sources of information, such as confidential infmants. tucker: i understand. i would actually disagree with you completely, and i know you are a form of so comg this from a different point of view, obviously. but no one is disputing it happen to come up we know the names of the people involved. all that information is public and it s been in the new york times. you acknowledge there is a public interest in explaining this to the public so they can trust the government aga. why was the obama administration spying on the campaign? i don tispute that there is a public interest. i outweigdn current moment by an ongoing and confidential investigation. the public does have a right to know at some point after the ongoing investigation is not jeopardized by telio r: shy are people like me w are asking honest, tisan questions.ely like, ho did this happen? wham i being attacked as someone who is challenging the rule of law or seeking to dermine the system? my position is, i m trying to preserve public faith in the system with sunlight. i thought that was a traditional on, is it not? i agree with you. i m just saying there is a public interest and i think that you and others have a right to know what happened during the course of an investigation. just not while the investigation that s a critical difference. by preserving the rule of law, you have to preserve the confidentiality of investigation, and ultimately it will all come out. you do have a right to know and that s why i draw the distinction between the clinton email investigation, which is over, and a ongoing investigation where the confidential informant is very relevant. tucker:anl, thank you for that, i appreciate it. house republicans are making another push at immigration. will their bills fulfill the president s promises during the campaign or are theyet another slap to the donor class? 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it seems like the republicans could win this debate if you look at all the polling on it, and the republicans are basically on the side. lou: as you have reported, you can slice and dice the demographics anyway want to come and more people are disgusted and appald by that dilatory us and a negative impact of illegal immigration into this country, and that is simply the straightforward fact. but they can t even raise a voice that is even remotely comparable to the ownership of the establishment and global elites who are demanding cheap labor. and that is straightforward. it is your purpose to bring more immigration into this country and to preserve lower wages. just as president trump has wages rising, the middle class is now growing. it was stagnant and it declining for 20 years until president trump moved into the oval office. tucker: is a you are saying the current rlican leadership is willing to ignore the basic lefts on the last election and the expressed will of the american population in order to serve the interest of a very small group of people to pay the bills. b6 absolutely. and ryan is a lame duck speaker, he will only be in office until january of next year, he resigned. but that s all the republican conference can do in the house of representatives. he is now in franchise with the leadership conference and also what would be assuredly a loss of 50 seats in the midterm elections as a result of moving into the amnesty of this. the pace will not stand for this minute, no matter how popular the president is. and he is wildly popular. no matter the fictions that are spun up by ryan and his so-called leadership council. tucker: do they have pollsters who are telling them that politically, this is smart? lou: no. they have weltrategists telling them they suld run on the tax cuts, rather than the trump agenda, which is the tax cuts, deregulation, balancing international trade, creating jobs, bring it back manufacturing, dealing with all the important issues in foreign policy,er it is the immense and an end success of e singapore summit, which is just one of a litany of achievements that this president unprecedented achievements. it is absolute disaster. tucker: tucker: rhinos rue lemmings, mindlessly. blue jobs, gre to see you. lou: the lemmings, i will admit, it was redundant. tucker: of berkeley has a plan for fixing the climate emergency they have identified. population control. you know it was coming to that at some point. that story, next since stopping it too soon increases your risk of clots in your stent, heart attack, stroke, aneven death. brilinta may cause bruising or bleeding more easily, or serious, sometimes fatal bleeding. don t take brilinta if you have bleeding, like stomach ulcers, a history of bleeding in the brain, or severe liver problems. slow heart rhythm has been reported. tell your doctor about bleeding new or unexpected shortness of breath any planned surgery, and all medicines you take. ask your doctor if brilinta is right for you. my heart is worth brilinta. if you can t afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. the world in a quote climate emergency. they called for a push to halt all carbon emissions worldwide and said governments must make efforts to humanely stabilize population. that s a phrase which robespierre would surely love. thanks so much for coming on. thanks for having me, tucker. tucker: so i m a pretty teral person, if they say climate emergency, tounds me. so if it s a emergency, why does anyone in berkeley have an air conditioner? i hate to sort of acts that people live out their purported beliefs, but if they are telling the rest of us we need to have fewer kids, why are they still driving and using the ac? i totally believe, tucker but i don t think they are telling us to have less babies. climate change and the impact that human beings have on environment is related to a lot of stuff. that we ar having but carbon emissions and eating less meat. i think we can all agree that we care about our planet but it s not about having less children. tucker: and i don t think it is. are we agreeing? is insane and grotesque and it s a window into what this really is, which is they aren t saying it s an emergency, everyone has stomach and stop having babies. tucker: but hold on. if they are saying and it s an emergency, presumably they bet is. so han they justify writing biases, having cars, refrigerators, any activity that adds to the sum total of co2 emissions? why are they still committing these activities? why should i listen and take anyone seriously who is driving a car and simultaneously telling me not to have more kids? i don t think are saying that. it s a combination of factors. and it s a complex environment. i think in general, the younger generation, the millennials, are becoming more environmentally cautious. i think the technology is catching up to the fact that people are becoming more tucker: if people are much poorer because they are deeply in studentt for degreesat mea ny have boughto the system that is essential and down like a socially fraudulent, and they have no money. they are environmentally conscious, but they are poor. that s one part of it, but there s more than one factor when it comes to climate change and what we can do to reduce our impact. tucker: i am actually in favor of a clean environment. so i wonder why, have you noticed this? places that spend of the most energy telling the rest of us that the world isnding because of climate change also tend to have the dirty streets and the largest number of peo relieving themselves on the sidewalk, and the most trash? if you care about the environment, maybe you should clean up in front of city does that occur to liberals? it s not just liberals that are responsible for climate change, it s all of us. and i agree with you, we can t just talk the talk, we have to follow up with actions. tucker: but seriously, if you care about the environment and making the world a cleaner and clearly i am for that. we agree with that, we all want to keep the environment cleaner. tucker: have you been to berkeley? new york city? san francisco? there are people relieving themselves on the sidewalk and then walking around them are environmentalists wanting to lecture me about how many kids i have. but you know what, it s not necessarily about where in the world is more populated, it s about who is using more resources. and i agree with you that we have to do much better. tucker: do you agree that if we are going to make the world cleaner, we could start by cleaning up the sidewalks? then we could maybe get to the part about fixing the hole in the ozone layer. i don t think it can be either or,very day. speak one way or the cities with the most open and aggressive commitment to the environment the dirtiest? why is portland, oregon, a filthy place downtown? that s not true. i m not talking specifically about portland, but not all cities that are saying that we need to do better about our environment are filthy. we are you getting that from? tucker: okay. track with me ruick just for this one question. if you say you care about the environment, do you agree or disagree that maybe you should start by cleaning up the street in front of your house? why can t you do both? do both. tucker: i m not saying that you can t do both. but wh is it that the people lecturing me about and the environment live in environments that are filthy? we all care about the planet and can do more. tucker: we don t all care about the planet. my house has nobody sleeping on the front step because i care about the environment. okay. tucker: great to see you. up next, the creepy lawyer not doing as well as he once did. a creepy porn lawyer update, next life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back. that s just one less thing you have to worry about. i dn t imagine going anywhere else. they re like a friend of the family. we are the cochran family, sal bea members for life. save by bundling usaa home and auto insurance. get a quote today. gonna make it rain tre tres . kids cause dad s he s saying he s gonna score a bunch of three-pointers on you. yeah, we ball til we fall. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? 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[laughs] on this shore show, we have chd the war on standards a the faa where relevant biographica questions were imposed on aspiring air traffic controllers. sadly, this is far from the only example of standardseclining in the united states. beneath public view, there is never a debate on any of this. it just happens in scientific fields. you wouldn t think it would come up but it is. heather mcdonald has chronicled it in detail. hools and other institutions are cutting requirements in an effort to be more diverse, whatever that means. heather macdonald also wrote the upcoming boo she joins us tonight. heather, thank you for coming on. we were stunned to find that the faa was intentionally trying to hi unqualified air traffic controllers because it s insane and dangerous. but you wouldn t think that same impulse would find its way into hard sciences, like medicine or research scientists, but you say it is? heather: it s very ng, tucker. there s not aingle point that is free and that s the irrelevant criteria of race and gender. it s doing r this as, get this, enter sexuality. this is not what congress had i mind when they created the national science foundation in 1952 sponsor seriousentificrese. we are putting our scientific competitiveness at great risky introducing the total irrelevancy of race and gender diversity into scientific accomplishment tucker: will confused because i thought the left believed in science, they had a little march announcing that i think t a year and a half ago. is there scientific evidence of race or gender of a scientific researcher, for example, is material that affects the outcome of the experiment in some way? heather: while the left hates science when it s proving facts that like, and it hates objectivity. there is no scientific evidence. we have had 200 grantees of the national science foundation that have one about prizes. things like discovering dark matter, discovering how viruses work, and this was with utter indifference. true color blindness, a true meritocracy. and they can see on the left that diversity matters in scientific thinking. well, it doesn t. if the lab is all-female, all asian, all-black, great. all the public cares about is, alzheimer s?ing to cure that we do that is by being color and gender blind and hiring on merit, not based on gender. tucker:t s terrifying, they have infected science with politics obviously. i hope you will come back in future days with details on this. heather mcdonald, great to see you. heather: thank you. tucker: the doj was set to release his report on the clinton email investigation. whatill we learn from that? quentin greenwald joins us, next for $339 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. means they won t hike your rateseness over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn t hold grudges. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise their rate because ofheir f accident. berty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance. especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side eff is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it s severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, and swelling. so say yesss! to help for recurring constipation. yesss! to help for belly pain. talk to your doctor and say yesss! linzess. rosenstein has been caught threatening staffers with subpoenas for trying to do their job, overseeing his agency. tomorrow, michael horowitz will release his report on the hillary clinton email investigation. they could shi l on a number of key players in that probe. what exactly can we expect from it? joining us now is glenn greenwald, editor of the intercept. he joins us from rio. thank you for coming on. what exactly will we see tomorrow in the ig report? the focus is the behavior of the fbi and also the justice department as part of the 2016 elections, particularly possible criminality as related to the private email server. there are, i think, a consensus of reports that suggest that the report will lambaste jim comey, the than fbi director andrew mccabe become his deputy, as well as criticize lorettaynch. they could cut both ways because, particularly you should have never stood up at the press conference in mid-2016, and when he announced there would be charges brought againstary clind to critior what she did. it s also possible though to conclude that there was political bias on the whole process that led to the decision not to charge hillary clinton in the first place. so it s unclear who politically it would help but it certainly will reflect by all accounts very clearly. i am not a hillary clinton photo voter but that was not his role. i am very struck by the reaction to this story in the press. the default seems to be, you don t have a right, to know what they are doing, and b, depressed to find out. with the press be interested in actually knowing what happened at doj? glen: this is bn of course but i think the principal defectives with the media, they so closely identify and they more often and then not end up defending their prerogatives and their secrecy powers and what it is they do rather than trying to do their job which is to shine a light on what it is they are doing. obviously any agency that the justice department does have, when they are conducting a criminal investigation or being involved in with the grand jury, they should know what the people are investigating. they don t want their name being smeared. but when you are talking about something as politically momentous as jim comey s investigation of the two major political candidates, once the investigation is over, and in heller clinton s case, the investigation has been brought to an end, we want to know everything about w they did and what they said. there s almost this anger on people who want to bring transparency and allowing the people to see your emails and i think that s very problematic. tucker: is steeply revealing of them. quickly, you cover this stuff for a long time. when the truth finally comes to light, how often have you noticed that information we weren t allowed to see because it was classified and held back in terms of the safety of the united states of america, it turned out to be not classified at all. it termed to it turned out to e just covering them. it s been a glen: when the government claims that things things have to be kept secret, one of two things is . either the information is incredibly banal and isn t the kind of thing that needs to be kept from the african people, or the reason they want to keep it secret is not to protect national security but to shi their own reputations and potentially their own legal interests because they were engaged in secret wrongdoings. in a healthy democracy, the presumption should be, the people should know what their government is doing and the government should know people are doing, and we reverse that. now they know almost everything we do and we know nothing they do that it s disturbing. tucker: that is true. glenn greenwald, thank you. he s one of the most honest commenters on american politics and he i also deeply committed to dogs and runs a dog shelter out of his house. so we will talk tim about that in great detail in the next inside the issues special lady of the summer. stated for that. up next, robert de niro s run of anti-trump contact on my comments has fired up hollywood. but could it paradox locally pp the president when the next election? 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are you talking to me? the brilliance of broadway, the greatest entertainers in the world on the great white way. the brilliance of broadway talents. to take that showed that level, it was very, very uncomfortable. and i am being polite. tucker: especially since he has made so many great movies. he doesn t needed to end this way. joe piscopo, great man. fun at the festival. father johon says god bless you, my son.